Oh, oh, Mr. Kotter!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gardnr
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Oh, oh, Mr. Kotter!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gardnr
The financial impact of COVID-19 on American hospitals ...http://www.aha.org/system/files/medi...0520-FINAL.pdf
Revenue losses (cancelled elective surgeries) and extra costs (PPE, etc.).
I was happy to hear that Massachusetts now has the lowest Covid transmission rate in the US. It seems we are doing something right.
Rosa, despite the best rate around the governor is delaying moving to phase 3. I know people who want to get married outdoors but cannot have wedding guests.
Also in state news today - testing of people who went to protests - much larger gatherings than the weddings would be - showed zero impact. The covid positive rate was the same low rate as in the population at large. Of course the governor cannot admit he is wrong and is saying the protesters were okay because they were moving around. This is false. They were lying down for 9 minutes, the amount of time George Floyd had a knee on his neck. They were also sitting and/or standing still listening to speeches. They were only moving some of the time. But he is not interested in facts.
Wisconsin was getting better until 6/19, when the 14-day moving average number of positive tests stopped diminishing.
Now this state is getting sicker with COVID-19 by the day.
I gather that something like 25 other states are also getting sicker.
We received a wedding invitation yesterday from a WHAM-O beautiful couple. The wedding is to take place during the second week of September, in a repurposed barn, in the Northern Highlands of Wisconsin. We can imagine how cute it will be, but I believe we should regretfully decline that invitation.
I am a bit concerned about taking our road trip to TX in a few days. We will do one night at a hotel and one at an Air BnB. We will be staying at DD's house and not going anywhere once we get there. They work at home but their kids have gone back to daycare. They want to get together with some other family at the house but that makes me nervous as one works in healthcare. So there will be potential exposure here and there. Silly me - I also wonder where one finds restrooms on the road that are OK to use.
Cause, meet effect. I guess our great results are just pure ass luck, and has nothing to do with the actions our Dictoratorial (trademark) governor has done.Quote:
Rosa, despite the best rate around the governor is delaying moving to phase 3.
From what I have read (and feel free to correct me and I'm sure you will) Phase 3 has been planned to start on June 29. I could not find anything about this date being delayed from a web search. I'm not seeing any delay.
Also comparing crowds in an open air environment as opposed to inside a building is dishonest. But you know that. Keep beating your dead horse with your smelly mask. ;)
Herbgeek phase 3 is delayed until at least July 6. So much for celebrating freedom on the 4th of July.
I compared outdoor weddings to outdoor protests, not an outdoor event to an indoor event. Call me dishonest again because you have trouble with reading comprehension and you too will be added to my ignore list.
Herbgeek: "Cause, meet effect." I love it! I can't believe folks are still putting down the governor, when all indications are that he has handled this pandemic so successfully.
Jeppy: I would rather see things move more slowly, but successfully, rather than follow the path of states that have opened things too quickly and are now moving in the wrong direction.
We can certainly celebrate freedom on the Fourth, just in a manner consistent with current circumstances. I'll be happy to be alive and having a low-key celebration, rather than be dead or in an ICU room with no celebration at all.
Me and my partner watched a wedding on the intertubes, it was only immediate family due to covid. So there was no invitation to decline, I mean the plan was to go, but that was long before covid changed evreyone's plans including not inviting anyone but family. So no you don't actually need to have some large wedding.
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The odd thing is by calling prudent government dictatorship, they have made dictatorship sound so appealing, and what they call freedom (the right to infect everyone) so loathsome, that dictatorship, where do I sign up? I would totally join the Dictatorship party.
California has been a strict state and their cases are rising. Cause and effect is not as simple as some of you are assuming.
I'd be delighted to be on your ignore list! I'd love to be a member of a club that includes people that believe in science!
You don't know what you are talking about.Quote:
California has been a strict state and their cases are rising. Cause and effect is not as simple as some of you are assuming.
You don't live here. Stop generalizing about a place you don't live because you really have no idea what the actual law is in California. And instead of researching it, you are just spewing stereotypes about what you imagine to be true about California (that's it's a blue state so it must be strict, or that since it closed down early it must STILL be strict etc. - the second part isn't true, it's not strict now). It is true the (San Francisco) bay area has stricter restrictions, but that doesn't help your argument as most cases in California aren't coming from there!
I actually live in California. I have an actual incentive to actually follow what is going on here, in terms of lockdown restrictions and cases. We haven't been strict in weeks and weeks. Bars and tatoo parlors and massage parlors and nail salons and gyms are open now. Malls have been open for several few weeks as have hair salons and restaurants.
I concur.Quote:
Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore
Looking at the data coming in from all over the country, it appears there is a serious problem brewing. Yppej doesn't know what they are talking about.
Spain had a rock hard lock down and a very slow considered reopening. The latest news from people there is the cases are beginning to reappear. They are trying to do targeted shutdowns. We shall see.
Bullshit! And I don't think you live there so you are clueless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
If we had a Leader who had followed Italy's advice, we would be done with this crap already! But no......we are climbing to the worst daily new cases since this fiasco was allowed to ramp up! 123k dead and counting>:(
I’m in IL. My gym opens Friday. I’m there! Oddly at their Chicago locations, you have to wear a mask inside even while exercising. Yuck. I belong to LA Fitness.
Gov announced guidelines for reopening schools in the fall.
Given our govt system with 50 states, would the Feds have had the authority to shut the entry country down? I don’t really know. This is regardless of who the prez is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gardnr
So the governor of Texas is now telling people to stay home.
"Because the spread is so rampant right now, there’s never a reason for you to have to leave your home. Unless you do need to go out, the safest place for you is at your home" - gov of Texas
So tell me how is it's effect on business any different than a lockdown? Is it different because some reckless people will still go out? Even if the governor is saying don't do it etc.. Yea sure, but you can't necessarily sustain a restaurant or a gym or etc. on some portion of the population that is reckless though, you probably need more customers than that to break even.
I cancelled my gym membership, I accepted the inevitable reality that thing isn't going away anytime soon, I don't like it one bit, but it is what it is what it is. A gym branch here has already closed as well.
https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/about...isolation.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Tradd
I just read in the local newspaper (on-line) that they are canceling this year's Twin Cities Marathon. The October Twin Cities Marathon. Well, they're holding an honor-system "run-26-miles-and-record-your-time-and-get-your-certificate-and-swag" virtual marathon. But the outside marathon is not being held this year. I'm seeing more and more events past the summer be evaluated for how realistic it is for them to occur in a pandemic.
Some of our dance groups have been discussing how we might be able to dip a dancing toe into the water in the coming months. The conversations run aground pretty quickly because it's just not the kind of dancing you can do six feet apart. There also are significant logistical issues around wearing masks and how wearing one will work with between-dance mingling and snacking. At the same time, this generally is an older crowd, with the conditions that afflict many older people, so exposure is a concern. One of our older dancers (91; bless him!) and his 75 yo partner have told me they do not plan to be dancing again any time soon because of the risk of exposure. I'm sure they're not the only ones.
I've given up on the notion of a "second wave" of coronavirus in the U.S. because I don't think the first wave will be gone any time soon. *sigh*
The choir I belong to had, naturally, cancelled its spring concert. They are holding off any decision about the December concert. I will be disappointed, but not surprised if it, too, gets cancelled. Choir members are older and indoor, close-contact, group singing is a big no-no! (Also, singing with a mask... I don't think so. lol)Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveinMN
It will be nice when these types of things can be resumed - SAFELY!!! I want to be able to go back to choir and worry about hitting the right notes, not worry about getting sick or getting someone else sick.
Stay safe, everyone.
I got a link this morning from someone whose friend and co-worker is experiencing a hellish "recovery." She's featured in an article:
LOS ANGELES - Since the first reported cases of the novel coronavirus, several support groups have emerged on Facebook consisting of thousands of members calling themselves “long haul survivors,” reporting COVID-19 symptoms that they say have lasted for months.
“Today is day 93,” said Amy Watson, a preschool teacher who lives in Portland, Oregon as she shared a photograph of her thermometer that read 100.3 on June 18. She first tested positive for COVID-19 on April 11, after falling ill with flu-like symptoms in mid-March.
Watson said she has had a persistent fever for nearly three months now, along with a handful of other disconcerting symptoms.
https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/to...swEQeOv_X2ZUk0
Since our phase two reopening our cases are skyrocketing. We went out to a bar last night where we know the owner. He had the bar marked off so no one was close. He said he could survive if he got half the people but he isn’t. He is worried that he won’t make it. Many of the restaurants/bars are up for sale and closed. We are not done with the economic devastation yet the human costs in lives and suffering.
TT you are so right. Our downtown that took literally decades to rebuild and revitalize is dead again. What with the virus, the riots and boarded windows, panhandlers, the loss of convention business and the now danger to women of assault, we need some positive news. Our cases statewide are around 400 per day. Been pretty steady.
IL has actually had decreasing numbers for something like five weeks. The state department of public health head was actually giggling during the press conference yesterday due to the good news. Nice to see.
Still more evidence that population-wide wearing of masks helps slow the spread significantly.
https://www.fastcompany.com/90519909...RZg2L0NTK4gVzo
Over 1/3 of cases in the USA are age 18-44.
34313 new cases yesterday.
This is FARRRRR from over!
From the same friend mentioned above comes the story of a friend's mother who arrived for a visit from Arizona. After a few days, she experienced trouble breathing and soon died from "a massive heart attack." --Which turned out to be caused by multiple blood clots, common in COVID19. I wonder how the health department will code that case.
Jane, a coworker told me today his neighbor works in a covid unit and at least half the covid deaths are bogus. He specifically mentioned someone who died of a heart attack whose death was listed as covid. He said the reason is the unit receives money from the government for each covid death, so they have a strong incentive to code everything they can get away with as covid.
Horseshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
I imagine this woman's death will be classified as a routine heart attack. To my suspicious eye, all those blood clots look like COVID19.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Good grief now we are using third hand gossip to discuss serious topics.
I guess elitists are now dismissing the lived experiences of ordinary people that do not fit into their paradigm as gossip. This snobbery is why Trump won. People don't like condescension.
I’d be highly suspicious of anyone who says covid deaths aren’t being documented with positive test results. Any medical facility receiving Medicaid or Medicare payments is subject to audits by HHs with steep penalties for inaccurate billing codes. I’d be surprised if the same didn’t happen if there are government covid payments.
Is anyone here taking an antibody test? DH took one today at his annual exam. His dr suggested he take it. No real reason other than the doc is curious who has the antibodies.
Wow, what a line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
IL, my doctor's office is not offering antibody tests. I wish they would. Then at least the cost would apply to my deductible. I am not willing to spend $119 for it and it doesn't count towards the deductible.
I'd be interested. But between the high percentages of false positives and/or false negatives on some brands/varieties of the test, I would not have confidence in the results. I don't know if whoever is administering the test could tell me ahead of time which company's test I'd be getting (to decide if it was worth it in the first place) and, given the stakes, I don't know as even the most accurate tests available now would tell me what I want to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies