Wonder what others think about trump’s bashing of the Pope and his AI image depicting himself as God (inferring his capability to heal the sick?) ?
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Wonder what others think about trump’s bashing of the Pope and his AI image depicting himself as God (inferring his capability to heal the sick?) ?
It's enough to make me go back to the Catholic church. I love how Trump said, "I don't want a pope that thinks it's OK for Iran to have a nuclear weapon." OK, Donald, so then go to seminary, become a priest, work with the poor and sick, work your way up to bishop, archbishop and cardinal, and wait for a chance to vote for a pope who is happy to kill people for unjust causes.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
He is a piece of work.
I don’t understand. going only on your recitation of Trump’s latest utterance about the pope:Quote:
Originally Posted by catherine
So do YOU want a pope who thinks it’s OK that Iran have nuclear weapons?
It's not the pope's job to decide who should have nuclear weapons. What I expect in a pope is a religious leader with moral authority over the people he is meant to represent. I think Pope Leo is doing his job. My point is that DJT doesn't get to decide who is pope and he can't demand the pope's compliance with US policy.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
OK I kind of see that, that the pope needs to stay out of politics.Quote:
Originally Posted by catherine
except he doesn’t.
It is certainly any religious leader's job to call out atrocities and injustices when they see them. Heck, if every individual has a responsibility to speak out against wrongdoing, a religious leader is failing their duty if they don't. Pope Pius XII was heavily criticized for not speaking out more during the Holocaust. Pope Leo obviously feels that what's going on in Iran is not just. He also sees inhumanity in the ways in which immigrants are being treated in the US. He is calling out the decisions of the administration on these things, as I believe he should.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
Like the Christian Nationalists are keeping religion out of politics?Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
The only thing wrong with the Christian Nationalists is "Nationalists."Quote:
Originally Posted by rosarugosa
Praying for our beloved Pope. Never thought I would see the day when the president of the US would threaten the Holy Father. After the personal threats made to him in January, the Vatican cancelled his trip to the United States this year.
Absolutely horrifying.
Can you point me to the Pope’s words condeming the slaughter of Iranian citizens early this year by the Islamic regime in Iran? According to ChatGPT, there were no utterances. But Chat is often wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by catherine
These speeches of der Papst (as he is sometimes called in my household, holdover from my Swiss Catholic MIL) seem pretty politicized to me. I would expect him to speak out against war because it is always an instrument of suffering. I would also expect him to speak out against government slaughter of citizens.
You are correct, at least according to this source:Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
"News organizations from Reuters and NPR to The New York Times and The Guardian focus on the pope’s calls for diplomacy, his vigil for peace, and his targeted moral language toward leaders and policies; they consistently present his statements as appeals for cease-fire and mediation rather than as detailed responses to particular human-rights episodes inside Iran [4] [3] [8] [5]. The supplied coverage does not include a clear, sourced quotation of Leo addressing—or condemning—executions or hangings of protestors in Iran as a discrete event with a separate papal message."
But if he is preaching his message to his own flock of bellevers, which I"m sure is his intent, keep in mind that there are 50 million Catholics in the US, and scant few in Iran. He certainly holds little sway there. But he is reminding Catholics in the US of the gospel that they signed up to learn from and follow.
In the United States, about 20% of adults — roughly 50 million people — identify as Catholic Pew Research Center+1. This figure comes from the Pew Research Center’s 2023–2024 Religious Landscape Study, which surveyed over 35,000 Americans. The U.S. Catholic population has declined from about 24% in 2007, and religiosity among Catholics has also decreased in recent years Catholic World Report.
In Iran, there is no official national census on religious affiliation, and the government does not publish detailed Catholic population statistics. However, Iran is a predominantly Muslim country, with the Shia branch of Islam being the majority faith. The Catholic Church in Iran is small and largely composed of a minority of the population, including converts, diaspora communities, and some ethnic minorities. While exact numbers are not available, Catholic communities in Iran are estimated to be in the low thousands, far smaller than the U.S. Catholic population.
Maybe, but I don’t entirely buy that the pope is speaking primarily to Catholics in America. I mean, sure, he speaking to them, but he’s speaking about the generalities of war to everyone. This is a humanitarian message, but it is also a political message.Quote:
Originally Posted by catherine
He spoke rather a lot about the recent Gaza conflict, and those are Jews and Muslims. Few Catholics in the bunch for him to influence his followers.
I did a review of Revelations 13, which some think involves the coming of the antichrist.
The pope is espousing his views to whomever will listen. He is voicing his concern over evil. That should be his prerogative!
Yes, I agree the pope provides spiritual leadership for the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one