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How will the responsible gun owners be able to figure out who are the other responsible gun owners and who are the bad guys? Considering that there are stories in the news from time to time where even police, presumably as well trained as any responsible gun owner, have misread shooting situations with terrible outcomes for unarmed innocent people.
That's a fair question. I would think that a home invasion situation would generally be pretty clear-cut, but a street robbery could be less so.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
The responsible gun owners will not be pointing their guns at police and shooting at them upon their arrival....for one thing.
For another, the responsible gun owners will probably be flooding the communications officer with information on who the bad guys are.
Responsible gun owners will be happy to see you when you arrive on scene and will assist you in identifying the bad guys.
The bad guys will be either going the other direction or taking a stand against you.
And finally, police officers are trained by some of the most realistic software programs on recognizing good guys and bad guys and making split second decisions on shoot or don't shoot based on their actions.
If I am caught in a situation such as this without a firearm, I would want as many responsible gun owners to be so armed as possible as it will give me more of a chance of survival. You see the bad guys shoot and kill first and they do so until they run out of ammunition or victims or until they face returning fire. Thus from the beginning, they identify themselves as ruthless evil vile worthless pukes that they are. The responsible gun owners and police then get to respond. And he funny thing is that as soon as the responsible gun owners and police respond with their firearms.......the bad guy stops killing people.
rock, paper, scissors, ...Spock.
Yep, it ain't rocket science.Quote:
Originally Posted by Williamsmith
For the most part, judging from examining actual incidents, as well as statistics from areas in the US where carrying weapons by law-abiding citizens is common practice, people seem to sort it out, because we don't have a huge number of blue-on-blue shootings going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
That's all fine once the cops arrive. But as was pointed out up thread, the situation is somewhat likely to be over before they arrive. Prior to their arrival I expect that in an urban mass shooter environment where a sizable portion of the general public is armed and willing to draw their weapons it will be a chaos of bad guys, well intentioned but ill-trained good guys and well trained good guys, all firing guns. The likelihood that the bad guys will be killed will probably go up, but I suspect that the accidental shooting of random people by well intentioned good guys will also increase.
Of course, the reality is that I'm far more likely, by an order of magnitude, to be killed in an automobile accident than to be killed in some mass shooter incident. Just as I don't let that stop me from getting in cars I suppose I'll continue to go about my business and trust the law of averages will continue to work in my favor regarding mass shootings as they have for 48 years.
And yet, that's not what we see.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Do you have examples of civilians using guns to stop mass shooters?
Draw your own conclusions about how gun-free zones affect things but yes there are some cases where larger shootings may have been stopped:Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ass-shootings/
I'll read the article when I have a moment later, but the way that the article title got truncated struck me as amusing, at least in a childlike humor sort of way...Quote:
Originally Posted by Yossarian