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We ate out twice since all this happened and restaurants started reopening. One restaurant simplified its menu and eliminated most everything I like, so it definitely was not a great experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by rosarugosa
We live in a tourist area and I notice that all the locals are wearing masks and none of the tourists seem to be. It's like they have different personal behavior expectations away from home. It's kind of a weird divide.
Tybee: That is lousy that tourists are being inconsiderate. Maybe they think that being on vacation means no personal responsibility.
I should have said about restaurants that it isn't worth the risk to me and DH. Everyone needs to do their own personal risk-benefit analysis, and we won't all reach the same conclusions. My first non-grocery public forays were to local garden centers for plants, very important to me but I'm sure not everyone would see it the same way.
Good point about personal risk-benefit analysis.
As far as the tourists, I get where they are coming from, I am not mask-shaming anyone, just thinking about the psychology of it all. I think part of the problem we are having with this whole experience is that not enough attention is being paid to psychology, and too much emphasis is being put on giving people directives, without them having any input or buy-in. From a psychological standpoint, that's a set-up for both stress and failure.
I am really saddened to see how people are blaming other people, instead of the disease, not that you are doing that, but I am working hard to not scapegoat other people and assume the worst about them.
And I am actually sickened when I hear people wishing that sick people who have, according to them, brought the disease upon themselves by not obeying their directives, should be forced to not seek healthcare. I think people who are making those statements, if they are in health care, need to seek another profession.
That's just my opinion, of course.
I do think restaurant behavior has to do with let's go out, not cook, enjoy a familiar happy place--for me, the restaurant we went to was no longer a happy place because of masks, anxiety, etc. etc.
The cautious people are probably not thinking "hey now is a great time to take a vacation" or if they do they go to a hotel and don't go out much but just spend their time on the beach and get takeout, or they go camping (though the shared bathrooms could be a vector unless it's true backcountry), or they go to Iceland :) - if they can manage to stay safe on the plane. So yea the tourists now are going to be a sample of the reckless ones.
A stranger came up to me in the store telling me how she hates masks, they fog up her glasses, etc. She liked my idea of having a mask burning party when this is over.
Hooray for science denialism!Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
I hate pants, I'm tired of wearing them and not ok with shorts or skirts or dresses either. I'm ok with wearing a shirt if I have to I guess though I'd rather not, but why should I have to cover the bottom part of my body too? That's really going too far! I can't wait for the pants burning party, so my buns can breath free as the day I was born. Now that's freedom. I say if we were meant to wear clothes we would have been born with them. They are threatening to arrest me for going around without pants. What kind of dictatorship do we live in I ask you? Worse than Stalin and Hitler and Pol Pot combined. And then people shake their head and shame me for walking around nude as well. It's horrible. So tired of this totalitarianism.
Tybee: You are kinder than I am, because I do blame people when they behave irresponsibly - that is how the virus spreads.
ANM: lol
What is there to get? We are in a PANDEMIC. Wear a mask to protect others and, possibly, yourself... don't be so selfish as to put others at risk!!!!
I agree. It is not rocket science.Quote:
Originally Posted by rosarugosa
I am sick of people acting like selfish babies instead of reasonable adults.
TT : +1
Pull up your grown-up undies and wear the dratted mask, people!!
Here's an extreme example: https://apple.news/AK12cFRJJSLKE-txnMyn_Jw
Infected, spreading the virus, still defiant.
Reminds me of (probably apocryphal) stories of Gaetan Dugas* gleefully infecting his lovers with AIDS.
*popularly, if mistakenly, known as "patient zero."
Driving through Fredericksburg Tx. Throngs of tourists. Very few masks and absolutely no distancing. We brought food for our trip but have made a couple of drive through restaurant stops.
ANM: Make sure you carry your card: Attachment 3294Quote:
Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore
https://www.timesnownews.com/the-buz...mebacks/612845
"I don't wear a mask for the same reason I don't wear underwear..."
I just thought the saddest thing was that these comments came from the mouths of women. It was scary.
Jaw-dropping, I thought.
Oh well--it's their 30 seconds of fame.
They walk among us.
I guess I am not the only one who would like to burn masks:
https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/t...KZTL5MIJF5OYQ/
And here is an argument that mask wearing violates freedom of religion:
https://www.wlwt.com/article/ohio-le...f-god/32378103
I want to practice my god given right to kill people. Ugh!! Since many have demonstrated that they are too stupid to follow common sense we may have to have laws just like we do for seatbelts,etc. My sister always said that the average person was stupid and I always thought that was much to cynical. Looks like I was wrong.
I thought of JP this morning when I was shopping in specialty shops for food for our luncheon guests. I couldn’t understand anything the service people were saying because 1) I’m old and hard of hearing and 2) they were wearing masks.
But I wear my mask when I was in these shops!
On June 18th Governor Newsom mandated masks in California but corona cases continue to spike. It is 9 days now. Let's see if in 5 more days things reverse course there, since that will be 2 weeks that masks have had the chance to work their supposed magic.
IL, I am having the same problem:)).
Cases here are skyrocketing in southern California. We should have done like NY NJ and CT and forced people from AZ to stay home. And the southern counties should not have opened bars and restaurants. But... Freedumb!!! But by all means continue you’re stupid eff concept that masks don’t work. Thank goodness you live on the other side of the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
As for cases spiking in SoCalQuote:
Cases here are skyrocketing in southern California. We should have done like NY NJ and CT and forced people from AZ to stay home. And the southern counties should not have opened bars and restaurants. But... Freedumb!!! But by all means continue you’re stupid eff concept that masks don’t work. Thank goodness you live on the other side of the country.
- in store non-essential retail shopping open June 1st
- restaurants open for dine in since June 6th as were hair salons. From a sample visited by the authorities 50% of restaurants that reopened were found not in compliance with new reopening guidelines.
- gyms reopened on June 12th
- bars opened on June 20th - and 500k people in L.A. went to bars then, 5% of the ENTIRE population. If anyone believes everyone in bars is following masks and social distancing protocols I have a bridge to sell them. Nail salons, tattoo parlors, and gambling opened then.
Cases are almost certainly understated since there was close down in testing even this week. I don't think this is a deliberate cover-up.
Masks reduce transmission. I don't know that there are many countries where mask were the ONLY policy, nor do we have all the best masks in the world. Our government does seem to want to place all the responsibility on individuals now, saying it's entirely our responsibility to prevent it, but many countries may have masks yes and it helps but also have policy. They shut down SEVERELY for AS LONG AS IT TAKES to get cases under real control. OR if they don't shut down they started early on with aggressive contract tracing (which would probably violate the FreeDUMBERS freedumb as well) and quarantine and isolating etc.. I mention this because it's the line the government is feeding us now, that coronavirus spread is all our fault, and government policies are the best they can be in the best of all possible worlds. They didn't screw up, not even in opening bars (!), rather the people have forfeited the confidence of government and they need to elect a new people.
So yea, I don't know if there are many countries where entirely leaving it up to individuals no matter how compliant (and in the U.S. there is going to be a lot of people out of compliance since it's politicized, so even if you get the big blue cities in CA, rural red areas aren't going to be even in CA). Maybe Japan is an example of masks alone being enough, I don't know. I am aware some argue masks alone could be enough, but it seems largely theoretical rather than proven in actual experience. But they usually say it only takes 70% compliance, so if you can get that and just a few dead-enders are arguing against masks (that's why yeppej alone is irrelevant and happily doesn't live here but continues to troll the forum just because) then maybe that's good enough ...
If not well, it's not going to be Sweden btw, even though that is also a failure. But much more unhealthy population in the U.S. almost certainly, less access to healthcare, paid time off etc. etc. It could get quite a bit worse.
ANM,
there is a bar for you near me. ;) They have a big sign out front announcing that masks and pants are not required.
(unfortunately the health department rules still require shirts and shoes)
Had a really weird run in about masks today. I’m out at the quarry diving. Saw a friend and went over to say hello. I was about 10 ft away. A woman he was with started screaming at me to put a mask on. She’s never met me before. Neither she nor the friend were wearing masks. I just gave her my Death Stare with one raised eyebrow and walked away. There is no reasoning with some people.
Some people are math challenged and do not know what 6 feet is.
Our national response to this is cringeworthy. Do we never look at what successful countries do and follow suit? (Comprehensive contact tracing, for example.)
I lay most of the blame for this at Trump's feet, but I wonder--with so many ready to jump on far-out Russian spread conspiracy theories and anti-science bias, if we might have done nearly as badly under a competent leader.
I think you are having a hard time living in these United States because there is no legal authority for public health policies at a national level. See, we are states. United. Get it!?Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
I wouldnt surprised if Trump started something because he thinks he is King, but guess what—he isnt. Rational people want to keep him or his ilk or anyone from any ilk from King status.
If nothing else a competent leader is unlikely to have politicized masks. That one thing alone would have been a tremendous help.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
Yeah, right, the scientists who told us first “ no masks” then now “masks” are not to blame.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
That is still one of the biggest wtfs in this entire Covid game.
First only N95 masks are any good, then any cloth face covering will do. I wonder if I got a piece of permeable lace and tied it around my face if anyone would object, not here but in real life.
Like the Balkans. OK, gotcha.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
Yea states don't work as they are presently at least for this type of big problem. I wouldn't mind succession, separate countries could control their finances, their currency, their borders, and their policies - something like the EU might work, but boy are there a lot of difficulties doing that at this point. But actual states can't and actually aren't REALLY the one's making decisions entirely either. That's just not true. Nothing can be laid entirely at the states feet with Barr threatening legal action with any states (and cities!) that don't entirely comply with Trump's reopening etc. policies.
States have been given blame but not sufficient actual leeway. So even when states seem blameworthy and stupid and may well be, there is ALSO always an immense amount of pressure from finances to lawsuits being put on them by the Fed gov these days. The buck stops nowhere, everyone and noone is to blame. Of course most the electorate at this point seems to be blaming Trump as well they should.
Down with pants!!
Interesting comparison. With the increased popularity of oral sex has the mouth now become, like genitalia, an erogeneous zone that must be covered with a mask to make to make it more forbidden and alluring?Quote:
Originally Posted by pinkytoe
This is crazy of course but it made me laugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
"Increasing popularity" was the part that made me laugh.