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12-19-12, 9:59pm
bae

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Originally Posted by creaker

This is the kind of person I worry about when I think about concealed carry laws:

Nationwide, in states that issue concealed carry permits, civilian permit holders have almost exactly the same rate of improper gun use/misuse as law enforcement officers. Near-zero. And there are decades of data on this.

History and data simply don't support the hypothesis that civilians with permits cause our streets to run red with blood.
12-19-12, 10:05pm
Spartana

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Originally Posted by Iris lily

Are you kidding, that happened in our neighborhood 2 summers ago so I'm sure it happens all over. It wasn't even an eagle, it was a hawk. First the hawk picked off our friends' African Grey parrot. Swooped down and took her from her perch on their back deck. It was horrible, those birds are smart like 4 year old kids. It traumatized our friends. And then--I just learned this last Saturday, hadn't heard it before--the hawks that same summer got a chihuahua dog.

The little dog was out walking with its owner and the hawk swooped down and grabbed the dog but the woman owner hung onto the leash but finally had to let go. The hawk flew up in the air with the dog and then dropped the dog from 20 - 30 feet. Then the hawk swooped back down and grabbed the dog and flew off with it. It was horrible for that poor owner.

I learned about this when I was talking to one of our neighbors at a party last week. They always "walk" their chihuahua in the Park by holding her, that dog's feet never touch the ground. I never never knew why until hearing that story. I"m sure that the stray cat population is kept down by the hawks. We are thrilled this year at the lack of squirrels, The hawks again.

Oh No!! I guess I better keep a better eye out on my RatDog - the terrhuahua (half terrier, half chihuahua). When I was in the mountains there were a bunch of golden eagles and people would tell me to watch out for them with little dogs. Never believed it as I was more worried about the cougars, coyotes and bears...oh my!
12-19-12, 10:09pm
CathyA

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Originally Posted by Iris lily

Are you kidding, that happened in our neighborhood 2 summers ago so I'm sure it happens all over. It wasn't even an eagle, it was a hawk. First the hawk picked off our friends' African Grey parrot. Swooped down and took her from her perch on their back deck. It was horrible, those birds are smart like 4 year old kids. It traumatized our friends. And then--I just learned this last Saturday, hadn't heard it before--the hawks that same summer got a chihuahua dog.

The little dog was out walking with its owner and the hawk swooped down and grabbed the dog but the woman owner hung onto the leash but finally had to let go. The hawk flew up in the air with the dog and then dropped the dog from 20 - 30 feet. Then the hawk swooped back down and grabbed the dog and flew off with it. It was horrible for that poor owner.

I learned about this when I was talking to one of our neighbors at a party last week. They always "walk" their chihuahua in the Park by holding her, that dog's feet never touch the ground. I never never knew why until hearing that story. I"m sure that the stray cat population is kept down by the hawks. We are thrilled this year at the lack of squirrels, The hawks again.

Oh god.........that's the stuff that OCD thoughts are made of! Poor doogie! that must have been a tough thing for them to get over. :(
12-19-12, 10:30pm
bunnys

Now just wait a cotton pickin' minute!

The notes on the video say it's been debunked as a fake.

Really? A fully grown woman holding her leashed dog wasn't stronger than a 10 pound (max) hawk (or eagle or whatever it was?)

I don't buy it.
12-19-12, 11:01pm
bae

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Originally Posted by bunnys

Now just wait a cotton pickin' minute!

The notes on the video say it's been debunked as a fake.

Really? A fully grown woman holding her leashed dog wasn't stronger than a 10 pound (max) hawk (or eagle or whatever it was?)

I don't buy it.

My cats' mother was taken by an eagle here, shortly after she had the litter. An eagle tried to go after one of my cats a few years later, it was only the quick action of my trusty Flying Basset Hound that saved it. I've also seen eagles here flying along with 15+ pound salmon in their talons. They are pretty chunky birds.
12-19-12, 11:30pm
bae

WSJ article on the data, of possible interest:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...857424036.html
12-19-12, 11:32pm
creaker

Quote:

Originally Posted by bae

Nationwide, in states that issue concealed carry permits, civilian permit holders have almost exactly the same rate of improper gun use/misuse as law enforcement officers. Near-zero. And there are decades of data on this.

History and data simply don't support the hypothesis that civilians with permits cause our streets to run red with blood.

I don't know who put that hypothesis forward - I'm just saying I wouldn't want to see people who act out violently carrying.
12-19-12, 11:33pm
bae

Quote:

Originally Posted by creaker

I don't know who put that hypothesis forward - I'm just saying I wouldn't want to see people who act out violently carrying.

The people who get concealed carry permits don't seem to act out violently, even in states where the requirements for issuance are minimal.
12-19-12, 11:53pm
creaker

Quote:

Originally Posted by bae

The people who get concealed carry permits don't seem to act out violently, even in states where the requirements for issuance are minimal.

Let's hope the current demographics for people who get concealed carry permits don't change, then.
12-19-12, 11:55pm
Tradd

Saw this tonight:

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/prin...chool-18020279

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