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this is what happens when you start giving women the vote ...Quote:
"Increasing popularity" was the part that made me laugh.
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Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore
Those darn scientists. Getting all sciency and changing their theories as more information becomes available. How dare they! Next thing you know some damn scientist will have the nerve to proclaim that he suspects cholera is spread by contaminated drinking water.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
But nonetheless, Trump's adamant refusal to model appropriate public health safety by wearing a mask and even hosting absurdly unsafe large mask-free indoor events has cleaved public belief in the importance of masks and social distancing along political lines in a way that hasn't happened elsewhere. We will suffer from this pandemic way longer than was necessary because of it.
Now now, didn't you hear Mr Pence at the WH briefing: The constitution guarantees the right to assemble. >:(Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
It was the lying.
You know, tellIng the dumb public not to buy masks. Secret reason: they are needed for healthcare workers.
Well bars closed again by the governor. That was all of 7 days they were open.
On masks there are restaurants here (really takeout because they never were sit down to begin with, even though sit down is currently allowed) that have now had to close because customers wouldn't wear masks and were threatening employees who told them to, and the business wouldn't put up with it's workers being threatened, so just closed for now. Nice going, anti-mask lunatics.
Yea it's pretty sleazy, especially as they never even used the defense authorization act to manufacture the darn things for healthcare workers, and then everyone else who wanted them them if they had additional capacity. Completely ridiculous. But part of it was perhaps they were thinking in very narrow terms as well - like cloth masks don't provide the protection for the user of an N95 or surgical mask - and they were not necessarily even thinking in epidemiological rather than medical-worker terms. Might be a flaw for medical people to think that way anyway.Quote:
No.
It was the lying.
You know, telling the dumb public not to buy masks. Secret reason: they are needed for healthcare workers.
Though, I don't trust Fuci much, just not for any reason the Trumpsters have against him, because they are far worse and whoever they replaced him if they got their way is bound to be VASTLY worse, but just he shades things is all - he couldn't even find any flaws in California's reopening plan. Uh hello it's entirely blowing up. The flaws were all in the little people's behavior. But you don't get in that type of position and certainly stay in it now without playing ball and then some.
Before the mask advice changed my bf was like "i'm going to start wearing a mask to the store now" and I was like "masks aren't really effective, you should only wear them if you are sick or caring for a sick person". And he was like "they are just saying that to preserve them for healthcare workers". Well of course he was right. I'm never cynical enough like I say. Maybe I should have started getting advice from Nassim Nicholas Taleb rather than the authorities since hey my bf was. That's what it's come to I guess :)
Since you're an expert on covid that knew way back then how it was transmitted, do you have a better suggestion for what they should have done? Or do you just want to bitch about the scientists because "yeah! Scientists suck!"Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
Most people would say they should tell the truth as best as they understand it at the time. Like I don't think the philosophy of lying to the little people from their own good actually has that many fans, ESPECIALLY AMONG the little people! And especially if the lying is by those those supposed to represent the search for truth etc.. Way back in the days of W such beliefs of lying to the people for their own good, tended to be attributed to neocons and Leo Strauss (whether or not that was fair to Leo Strauss I wouldn't know). It was Hillary Clinton's public and private positions (though that was never particularly altruistic at all, it was about serving big donors). The thing is Fauci has straight out said it was a lie to preserve masks for medical people, but who knows if it wasn't just a misconception, the liar lying about lying because at least they don't have to admit being wrong, only he claims he lied is all.Quote:
Since you're an expert on covid that knew way back then how it was transmitted, do you have a better suggestion for what they should have done? Or do you just want to bitch about the scientists because "yeah! Scientists suck!"
I'm probably stirring the pot here, but I thought this was hilarious:
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I started the day being depressed. Guess it depends on whether I think a large percentage of people are thoughtful, keep informed, and want to help their fellow man. Or whether they are a bunch of inconsiderate knuckleheads without a care for anyone, wanting only their own pleasure, or do not care about knowledge and being informed. Reading local posts and hearing from even relatives and I think it is the later.
Anyone who had a very basic knowledge of the 1918 flu, SARS #1 or MERS, or any zoonotic disease should be very worried. Our scientists were working on a NOVEL virus and knowledge has increased as more and more is known about it.
All we can hope for is either a vaccine or a mutation to a less virulent form. Nothing much will help if it mutates to a more virulent form. Good grief, I am very depressed this morning.
sweetana, I've been riding that rollercoaster for a while -- optimism that things will get better fairly soon and pessimism/depression at the idea that Americans have found a way to make something suck more than air travel. Our society finally is reaping the benefit of all that has been sown over the past 30-40 years. I'm sure some people feel really good about that. I comfort myself in the knowledge that they'll get theirs someday.
In early March, when COVID loomed on the horizon, I ordered provisions from Amazon--alcohol, wipes, gloves, masks... Masks just made sense to me. The first ones I got were just a few layers of jersey, but they are a barrier.Quote:
Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore
I see variations of this every day on social media. Courtesy of Russian bots and people who believe them.Quote:
Originally Posted by rosarugosa
Love "they're HIPPO."
The magazine Psychology Today said in regard to resilience, Any crisis, such as the coronavirus pandemic, can test resilience.
Looking to loved ones for help and emotional support,
increasing self-care,
and focusing on the aspects of the situation that are under your own control can help.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/resilience
My understanding is there's never been a corona vaccine. Flu vaccines exist, but they're like blindly throwing darts at a target. Maybe great medical strides will be made this time, maybe not.
I think we have to hope it goes the way of the 1918 Flu.
I would like them to tell the truth as they know it at the time. I understand a nuanced scientific world whereQuote:
Originally Posted by jp1
1) not all scientists agree on what the facts are
2) They may disagree on interpretation of facts, even if they agree on facts
3) facts and interpretation change, evolving
But anyway, it wasn’t really the scientists who lied to the public. It was the bureaucrats representing science. Bureaucrats lying!. That is shocking!
Not.
That’s my understanding as well about no coronavirus vaccines now exist, and how many years has the scientific world and working on them? For JP1, I’m not knocking scientistS for not being able to invent the impossible. The scientific world is overall pretty small and ineffective when compared to the huge force of mother nature and the natural world. We are tiny cogs in the wheel.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
There are coronavirusEs that dogs get and there is a vaccine for that, but they have a whole different lifestyle in the canine biological unit.
exactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
Rosa, too funny!
It is depressing, I basically live like I did in lockdown. I don't go anywhere but groceries, I see a few limited number of people at a real distance (over 6 feet) outside with masks and noone but my boyfriend inside without a mask and of course that's not risk free either but (the masks are the least of it, they are no bother, the world seems full of "princesses" who do nothing but complain about peas under 10 mattresses as far as that goes). Granted in lockdown I turned down even some of those very limited safer activities.
But no group activities, no events, no just hanging out somewhere but in my 1 bedroom apartment, no gym etc. - lots of taking walks. And I'm tired of it, but ...the thing is cases are actually surging here by seeming leaps and bounds (as many maybe most places in the U.S.) so ... :\
Ha ha yes! Think about it! If this doesn’t prove that Trump operatives own the means of manufacturing for masks, I don’t know what does.Quote:
Originally Posted by rosarugosa
Same here. My problem is I love to plan things.. to have something to look forward to. Now... nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore
Same here. Even though things are opening up, its not the same experience at all. Fridays, we used to buy a pitcher of beer at one of our local breweries and chat with the bartender and regulars. While you can have beer outdoors, its with a mask and social distancing and not at all the experience I enjoy. If I'm just going to be drinking with just my spouse, I might as well buy a 6 pack and do that at home (which we do).Quote:
But no group activities, no events, no just hanging out somewhere but in my 1 bedroom apartment, no gym etc. - lots of taking walks. And I'm tired of it, but ...the thing is cases are actually surging here by seeming leaps and bounds (as many maybe most places in the U.S.) so ... :\
I have nothing in the future to really look forward to, and that is depressing. My nephew is driving up for his semi annual visit this week, and while I will be happy to see him, we can't really go anywhere or do anything other than talk.
I too am a planner. I had four separate vacations all planned this year and all cancelled. Postponed two of the US trips to next year to help out the organizations but will not be traveling by air for the others. Trained when I was working that everything had to be planned in detail ahead due to leave requirements.
I am grateful that our exercise classes at the YMCA have started again so I can sweat out the depression. My favorite instructor starts July 7 and since he is 67 we are all in the same boat. I am taking the risk of a group class for my physical and mental health.
We stay away from strangers and events. Wear our masks everywhere. Hubby will be working in small discrete groups, wearing masks and trying to socially distance on his Habitat or wheelchair ramp builds. My hobbies are all at home with no need to be out and about. Grocery shopping is 90% of our reason to leave home right now.
Got to the gym for the second time today since reopening on Friday. I was diving over the weekend. Feel so much better. I just do the recumbent bike.
Tradd, we got to the gym for the second time in 3 days. Feel so much better. I think it was what I missed most since I went 6 times a week before lock down and loved it. Even had my favorite instructor.
I am a planner to and miss having parties. We have been seeing our friends on a individual basis. We really miss traveling.
In states like mine where masks are mandated, why are there still senior hours at stores? If the masks are so great senior hours, which predated the mask mandate, should no longer be necessary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQCU36pkH7cQuote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
:~)
Time for you to go sit in a room with a COVID + patient for 8 hours. No PPE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
You just keep topping yourself with dumb and dumber........
if cigarettes cause lung cancer why are there people who never smoked who get lung cancer? *takes another puff and inhales deeply and coughs a little* . This cigarettes cause lung cancer stuff is a bunch of nonsense ...
because masks aren't perfect, we should have the government manufacturer the best masks possible for all at this point (not doable at the start but hello we are OVER 3 MONTHS IN), but we live in a banana republic without bananas and so we don't, and they still wouldn't be perfect, and even if they were there would be the little matter of human error.
I’m so glad you asked. That exact question was asked at Trader Joe’s when I was there today. The answer? “So the polite seniors, following the rules, who don’t move as fast and cut in front of others, don’t get mowed down. We’re maintains a safe shopping environment.”Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Nothing to plan for... vacations cancelled, all festivals, fairs, sporting events cancelled. Concerts, performances, shows of all kinds, cancelled. Hair and dentist appointments cancelled. Grocery shopping is the highlight twice a month. It does make one wonder...
and I was shocked today to learn a good friend, a fabulous singer- songwriter-musician and wonderful carpenter, passed away yesterday. A couple of days ago he told his wife his purpose on earth, to make people happy with live music, was done. She told him that was kind of melodramatic. Sunday morning he was gone. Just went to sleep Saturday night and didn’t wake up.
This is the 7th time since the first of the year that I’ve heard this story- people who appear to be totally healthy, in their 60s, go to sleep and just don’t wake up. Thousands of people are checking out with the virus, and many without the virus.
If that's the way the store sees it, that should be their prerogative but I don't think it should be a government mandate. Of course it's age stereotyping if not age discrimination, but people don't have to shop there.Quote:
Originally Posted by mschrisgo2
I also think stores can say no mask no service just like they say no shirt or no shoes no service, but again I dislike an unfunded government mandate. Paying someone to stand at the front door policing this is one reason food prices are rising.
Some high end stores already had service by appointment also and that should also be their prerogative. Cue Bobby Brown!
My mother was out doing her recreational shopping thing yesterday and a truck rear ended her and totalled my parents' only car. I offered to get her groceries this week but according to her this is their off week when they don't go to the store. This may put a very brief dent in her excursions, but my dad was immediately talking about getting a rental car. The few germs she may avoid are probably offset by any she encountered being checked out at the hospital. The doctor told her to rest at home and I hope she does since she is very sore, but I am not optimistic.
Earlier we discussed closed bathrooms on hiking trails. I saw on the news today due to closed beach bathrooms people have been relieving themselves in the yards of people who live near the beach. Things need to open up. It's like people avoiding hospitals for strokes and heart attacks. Concern for one virus cannot blind us to all the other sanitation and health issues out there.
Also, if we would get rid of the open container and drinking and driving laws, people might stop throwing partially empty beer cans into my yard as they approach the Main Street with the cop on it.
and maybe the drinking age. I think a lot of them are teenagers.
and if stores stopped charging money for things that are small and lightweight, we would have less shoplifting.
or, maybe somebody could kill someone who is pooping in their yard. The death of the security guard who tried to insist on enforcing the mask policy definitely put a damper on mask policies.
The closed bathroom thing has definitely affected our comings and goings. I am starting to feel like John Howard Griffin in Black Like Me.
All of these social changes have subtle impacts that we can't even begin to measure yet.
I don't equate this at all to open container laws, as those came about over a long period of time. Look at how North by Northwest treats Cary Grant's arrest for drunk driving, for example.
All of these laws evolved over time, and were not suddenly enacted, which creates a big difference for people.
Like seatbelt laws--I remember when those came in, and how unpopular they were, and how long people took to adapt.
So I don't think it's particularly helpful to create these analogies. I remember in the 1918 Influenza video, that mask hysteria reached a point where a police officer shot someone for not wearing a mask. I personally think that the speed of these changes, with no warning and buy-in, creates stress and violence, but that's just my humble opinion.