Conavirus......

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Originally Posted by Klunick

Went to the grocery store yesterday and now even some of the employees aren't wearing masks despite the sign on the doors saying masks regardless of vax status. :laff: Hard to say anything to us maskless customers when we can point out employees doing the same.

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I started going any which way down the supermarket aisles when I saw store employees ignoring the arrow marks.

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Originally Posted by Klunick

Went to the grocery store yesterday and now even some of the employees aren't wearing masks despite the sign on the doors saying masks regardless of vax status. :laff: Hard to say anything to us maskless customers when we can point out employees doing the same.

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I just got back a little while ago and I would guestimate that close to two-thirds of the customers were in masks and, of the employees I saw - about 95% were masked.

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Originally Posted by Yppej

I started going any which way down the supermarket aisles when I saw store employees ignoring the arrow marks.

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I don't think anyone paid attention to the arrows near me. I don't think anyone paid attention to a lot of the rules/restrictions near me to be honest. I wore my mask, stayed 6 feet away, tried to walk the right way down aisles, etc but now that I am free from the mask, I won't go back and luckily, my County isn't enforcing the mandate.

Both Oregon and Washington have indoor mask mandates at the moment, due to spikes.

The CDC experts call the protection cloth masks give to others "source control": the cloth traps droplets from leaving your mouth and prevents them from entering the air. "Upwards of 80% blockage," the CDC says.

So, the cloth mask you wear helps protect others. What about protecting you from others? The scientists at CDC say that mask quality varies, and that multi-layered cloth protects the wearer better than single layers... Said one report, "Studies demonstrate that cloth mask materials can also reduce wearers' exposure to infectious droplets through filtration, including filtration of fine droplets and particles less than 10 microns." (Note: One inch is 25,400 microns, so 10 microns is a pretty tiny droplet). (CNN)

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Originally Posted by Yppej

I started going any which way down the supermarket aisles when I saw store employees ignoring the arrow marks.

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It never seemed like anyone paid attention to those arrows but me and DH (I'm sure this is n exaggeration but that's how it seemed), so I was relieved when they finally got rid of the arrows.

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Originally Posted by Yppej

And I suppose you want us to do all three forever. Because covid will never disappear. How else should we turn our lives upside down to protect the few immunocompromised people from innumerable other germs out there? Should we shut down the economy again? Walk around in hazmat suits?

After all according to some even one death is too much.

Maybe we should ban alcohol, or driving, because if hit by a drink driver an immunocompromised person would have a harder time surviving injuries. Or how about driving up the cost of cars by mandating they all come equipped with breathalyzers? (Not you, but someone else here recommended that.)

I remember when chemo patients had to limit their contacts with others while in treatment, but why should they? Let's make everyone else alter their behavior instead, and let's put the full force of the government behind it by mandating it.

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Yes, if only because I know that it will piss you off forever.

But seriously, if everyone either got vaccinated or always stayed home if they don’t want to get vaccinated then we would have a shot at reaching herd immunity and wouldn’t need to do the rest. But that ain’t gonna happen anytime soon.

If people are dead set against vaccines, the least they can do is sequester themselves and/or only interact with others from a distance wearing a well-fitted mask.

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Originally Posted by JaneV2.0

If people are dead set against vaccines, the least they can do is sequester themselves and/or only interact with others from a distance wearing a well-fitted mask.

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Exactly. Like IL’s husband and the one friend I have that refuses to get it.

Something this coronavirus has made clear to me - along with global warming and the recent 116F in Portland, OR - we humans think we run the show but more and more I'm thinking Mother Nature trumps (no political pun intended) what we consider our power. That a microscopic virus can originate on the other side of the planet and spread worldwide and upend all our lives - and still mutate as it wishes with no real human checks and balances on mutation - exactly how much of the show do we run? Food for though perhaps. Rob

Definitely food for thought, Rob. I was hit with similar thoughts a couple months back. Initially it all seems/seemed so hopeless, but finding and doing even the littlest things in my power has helped. I know that while we (humans in general) don't run the whole show, we do and can have an effect on things - both positive and negative. I'm back to trying to be positive.