thwarts to intellectual freedom everywhere

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Originally Posted by jp1

Iris: pretends that everyone in the world is as capable of deducing who is a rational podcaster and who isn’t.

Jp: points out that that isn’t the case.

Iris: gets annoyed.

JP now: if everyone was as capable of rational thought in determining what is real and what is fake news there would not have been a dude with a gun showing up at the pizza parler in DC to save the children in the nonexistent basement. (Another of shitbag podcaster Jones’ lies).

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aw jp, I gotta love you ‘ cause you make me laugh.

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Originally Posted by bae

I know someone who is an honest-to-goodness Flat Earth podcaster. He has lots of followers, and the whole thing does not appear to be a joke. They actually believe the Earth is flat (well, it's more complicated than that, but...), and reinforce each others' beliefs.

There are some things we clearly didn't think through enough when we invented the Internet.

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Yes, and as one of my jobs at the library was heading up Interlibrary Loan service, I can tell you that our copy of “We Never Went to the Moon” was constantly out on interlibrary loan to other libraries across the country.


So it ain’t just the Internet, baby.

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Originally Posted by iris lilies

So it ain’t just the Internet, baby.

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I think the problem is that the Internet lets people with extremely niche interests find each other, and share their interests.

Our local crazy "sovereign citizens" group likely wouldn't have gained any traction without the Internet.

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Originally Posted by bae

I think the problem is that the Internet lets people with extremely niche interests find each other, and share their interests.

Our local crazy "sovereign citizens" group likely wouldn't have gained any traction without the Internet.

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that is true and is the wonder and the horror of the web.

participating in a tiny forum or two on the monster of crazy, Reddit, I DO appreciate the ability to meet other like minded people and to feed and tease our obsessions.

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Originally Posted by bae

There are some things we clearly didn't think through enough when we invented the Internet.

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Al Gore certainly didn't anticipate the directions it has taken.

I don't listen to news podcasts and I'm sure there are good ones, but feel like I can get along fine with mainstream news. Some things are worth digging into a little and there's not a perfect news source. Or at least one that agrees with all of my opinions. Some news is worth ignoring. I do occasionally catch BBC world news in the evening and have streamed al jazeera in the past. It's interesting to get a point of view from an outside source.

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Originally Posted by Rogar

Al Gore certainly didn't anticipate the directions it has taken.

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I was at the first Interop event, and worked on the NCP->TCP transition, and did one of the first from-the-specs implementations of IP/TCP to verify the specs were adequate. I do not recall seeing Al at any of these events, or any of our IETF meetings, but perhaps he didn't have a jet yet so it was difficult to attend.

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Originally Posted by jp1

Iris: pretends that everyone in the world is as capable of deducing who is a rational podcaster and who isn’t.

Jp: points out that that isn’t the case.

Iris: gets annoyed.

JP now: if everyone was as capable of rational thought in determining what is real and what is fake news there would not have been a dude with a gun showing up at the pizza parler in DC to save the children in the nonexistent basement. (Another of shitbag podcaster Jones’ lies).

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JP, the logical extension of your argument is that we deny all sources of information to those who cannot process that information adequately. And by “adequately” I mean a way that meets with your approval. That probably means coming up with conclusions you agree with.

Perhaps you do in fact think that all information should be run through the Ministry of Truth?

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Originally Posted by bae

I was at the first Interop event, and worked on the NCP->TCP transition, and did one of the first from-the-specs implementations of IP/TCP to verify the specs were adequate. I do not recall seeing Al at any of these events, or any of our IETF meetings, but perhaps he didn't have a jet yet so it was difficult to attend.

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Of course I was just joking about Al Gore, but thanks for helping with that. I saw a sci-fi film where sometime a few decades ago the world was split into two parallel worlds. One had the internet, cell phones, etc just like now. The other advanced but never developed that technology. The world with out internet was not a good place to live. Although I'm not convinced the it's evils may catch up with us one day, it was an interesting premise to think about.

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Originally Posted by iris lilies

I welcome your discussion of either of the two hot topic new stories I referenced above. Specific discussion where you bring in facts you believe to be correct.

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Truthfully, I did not bother to read the long post.

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Originally Posted by iris lilies

Alex Jones is not one of the Podcasters who sincerely attempts to bring rational discussion to world events.

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I don't listen to tv that has hosts giving their opinions either. Who cares? Make your own decision.