Conavirus......

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Originally Posted by iris lilies

There are no absolutes or “cure alls.”


It’s likely the vaccines received by your BILS kept them from getting more serious cases.

The studies so far, still early in the Delta game, are showing Less serious cases among the vaccinated, few of those people need to be hospitalized, even if you were die.

But that’s true today and it can change tomorrow as a virus mutates and infects more and etc.

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I agree. As I said, they were healthy AND vaccinated, so the vaccine definitely isn't a "cure all" even for healthy people, as some folks believe. I think the fact that they were healthy and vaccinated, as well as the treatment they received upon diagnosis, is what kept them out of the hospital and alive.

It greatly reduces risk of hospitalizations and death. If it reduces risk enough to be equal to say the risk of driving to work or for that matter the flu, then it's not in any sense the same, it is the flu at that point (although of course it's not literally no risk). The problem is there are lots of unknowns right now it seems.

My, non healthcare expert understanding is that because the initial infection starts in the nose where the immune system can’t see infections invaders very well it is able to get started making a vaccinated person sick there, but then once the virus starts moving through the body the immune system is able to respond quickly and knock it down, but for a not insignificant number of people that immune response is after they are showing symptoms.

I suppose vaccines weren't the cure alls for other viruses like smallpox, polio, measles, hepatitis B, and mumps.

Oh wait - they were cure alls. How about that?

Edited out. Not snarky, just irrelevant.

Posting while tired….

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Originally Posted by Yppej

I suppose vaccines weren't the cure alls for other viruses like smallpox, polio, measles, hepatitis B, and mumps.

Oh wait - they were cure alls. How about that?

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And how infectious were those compared to how effective the vaccines were and the oercentage of the population that got vaxxed for them. Those details make all the difference.

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Originally Posted by jp1

And how infectious were those compared to how effective the vaccines were and the oercentage of the population that got vaxxed for them. Those details make all the difference.

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Pretty much everyone got vaccinated. Vaccines work if you work them. If you don't it's not the vaccine's fault.

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Originally Posted by Yppej

Pretty much everyone got vaccinated. Vaccines work if you work them. If you don't it's not the vaccine's fault.

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And on that we agree. It’s sad and frustrating that such a large segment of our population have become distrustful of science and people with expertise in various fields. And heartbreaking that it’s leading to tens of thousands of preventable deaths.

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Originally Posted by jp1

And on that we agree. It’s sad and frustrating that such a large segment of our population have become distrustful of science and people with expertise in various fields. And heartbreaking that it’s leading to tens of thousands of preventable deaths.

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Natural selection. It's the unvaccinated who are dying. If enough of them keel over there won't be any left to die and then maybe I can finally take that damn mask off. As of right now we've got a huge moral hazard situation. People can refuse the vaccine knowing others who did get vaccinated will have to wear masks for them and, unless you work at Delta Airlines, pick up the tab for their hospitalizations in increased medical premiums.

#IDidn'tGetVaccinatedForNothing but my Board of Health sure thinks I did.

A doctor points out that cloth face masks don't stop covid and is suspended from YouTube. What is our country coming to?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...masks-n1276534