Yeah sure. Perhaps the main dining room where he discussed with Shinzo Abe possible responses to a potential act of war by North Korea? While onlookers were snapping photos with their phones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
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Yeah sure. Perhaps the main dining room where he discussed with Shinzo Abe possible responses to a potential act of war by North Korea? While onlookers were snapping photos with their phones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
What makes you think he took them while leaving the White House? I'll bet even President Biden takes documents, or perhaps copies of original documents to his personal home on the weekends and maybe leaves some there. I'd be surprised if he doesn't have a SCIF in Delaware too.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Everyone seems to be approaching this from their preferred narrative without thinking through, or even considering other possibilities. That results in sloppy reasoning.
Shit happens, I'm sure you remember Obama telling Medvedev on a hot mic to make sure Putin knows he'll have more flexibility after the election.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Because it was on the mainstream news as it happened?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
The mainstream news showed him taking boxes of documents out of the White House as he was moving out? I must have missed that.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Did the boxes have "Confidential" or "Top Secret" stamped in large red letters on the side so that the cameras could pick them out?
Trump visited Mar a lagoon 134 times during his presidency. 26 boxes of documents were removed. A bankers box could hold three to five thousand pieces of paper with staples, file folders etc. 26x3000 is 78,000 pieces of paper. I have never seen any mention of Trump being A big reader. In fact, any manager depends on Trusted staff to summarize huge amounts of info. So your argument does not make sense to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Edited to add one argument by trump was Obama took millions of papers with him. National archives said all documents are in their possession as per the law. Presidential libraries are run and monitored by the archives for record compliance after they are built with private funds.
I'm not making an argument, just thinking out loud. Everyone else seems to 'know' details that I can't possibly 'know', so I'm trying to provide food for thought while we await more information.Quote:
Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere
Olivia Troye, Republican homeland security and counterterrorism advisor to Vice President Pence, relates how appalled she was at the handling of government documents during her tenure. She described finding a sheaf of them in the women's bathroom. Then she outlined the proper procedure of securing them in marked, secure pouches when transporting them. She said nothing about flushing them down the toilet or eating them. Pretty sure that isn't protocol. Trump knew nothing about the proper administration of government, and nothing indicates he gave a damn.
Obama's live mic gaffe wasn't a state secret, or particularly harmful. I want to hear Trump's explanation for declaring that President Obama left office with thousands of classified documents--the National Archives disputes that, and it doesn't pass the laugh test. They're masters of projection, those MAGA bros.
Marcy Wheeler is a lawyer that has been blogging about trump and his alleged crimes, and other related stuff, for quite a while now. This is an interesting discussion of the likely crimes the DOJ is looking at in relation to the past week’s events, along with details about other individuals who have been convicted of those same crimes in the recent past, what it took to convict them, etc.
https://www.emptywheel.net/2022/08/1...-donald-trump/
From this Marci Wheeler Post I take away that we may not need to know Donald Trump’s intent and taking these documents no worries in a charge necessarily tied to his intent. Just having them and treating them in a sloppily controlled way is a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Wheeler is just another person spinning theories although she’s an educated person spinning theories, and perhaps educated theories..