It's only that high because we test so few people, missing many who are asymptomatic or have symptoms so mild they do not seek medical attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
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It's only that high because we test so few people, missing many who are asymptomatic or have symptoms so mild they do not seek medical attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
Yea the truth is noone actually knows what the fatality rate is.
3.3% strikes me as about right for diagnosed cases, maybe this is what is called case fatality rate, but as we all know many cases are never formally diagnosed with a test. I mean if one is diagnosed with covid one's chances suddenly get much bleaker seems to me.
On the national debt figures is it inflation adjusted, and isn't as percentage of GDP perhaps relevant? And this despite it not being all that relevant a measure of much anyway. All for some money that was funneled in unauditable way to who knows what Trump cronies, I mean there was no accountability for the money. How is it that Canada was able to give people 2k a month? Oh right it's not a 3rd world country, I forgot.
I think it's a real shame that we can't talk to each other here without sarcasm and viciousness. This forum is a place where many come for community and comfort, especially in a crisis such as the pandemic.
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30% of professional athletes with Covid have lingering cardiac irregularities.
I know a lot of people here like sarcasm. I am probably in the minority. It comes from the Greek word, to tear flesh.
That is not how I want to speak to others, or to be spoken to. It's probably because I realize I have limited time left on earth, and I want to choose how I spend it. I want to feel good about my communications. I want to be at peace with others, and at peace with myself.
Thanks for considering my point of view.
I actually sincerely agree with you. I definitely have to do a better job of controlling my own responses. I guess I add this thread to the "avoid" list along with the Politics forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tybee
Omg, my neighbors across the street in Hermann all have COVID19. HermanN started getting hammered by the virus two or three weeks ago.
But these neighbors were super careful for months. They have four daughters ranging in age from about 15 to about 23. Of those four kids, three have health problems and so they just reigned in Their activities starting in mid March. The father of the house is our architect. We would see him having his meetings with contractors on his front porch sitting 6 feet apart. Outside. His girls are very popular in high school and college and their friends would come by and stand in the street and talk to them while the girls were on the front porch. One of the girls had a birthday in May and her high school friends came and serenaded her Outdoors ( no masks!) while she was inside the whole time. The parents were pretty strict about what the girls could do.
They just got test confirmation yesterday.
I still don’t directly know anyone who has gotten it - someone who is a friend, not a friend/relative of a friend who has it.
A friend's young neighbor--20ish--just died of it. I mentioned before that her friend has the chronic version. They need to be careful, because her husband has a congenital clotting disorder.
Everyone thinks they're being careful even if they're not. A customer went from our state (less than 1% positive rate) went to South Carolina on vacation with his family and did not quarantine upon return as required by state law. He said he was safe because they stayed in a camper instead of a hotel although they were also out and about and he said people were mocking those who wear masks and take other precautions.
Jane, how sad to lose someone so young. As kids and young people get it others will start to take it more seriously. IL, it only takes one exposure and it could have even been the grocery store. Hope they all do well.
Neither my wife or I personally know anyone with it either, no friend, relative or acquaintance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tradd
I have two relatives who had it. They are seniors, he worked in medicine part-time, and after being hospitalized both survived with no loss of quality of life, and ready to take on helping out with their grandkids so their parents can return to work.
My DIL’s 5 relatives all had it in March and are still having issues. They range in age from 70-17.
I now know five people who've had it. 3 middle aged folks who had serious ugly cases but have mostly recovered, 1 moderate case, and one who only lost sense of smell and taste. the last one though is now having severe fatigue. SO and I will continue to try and avoid interacting with anyone that will put us at risk. And will continue to WEAR A MASK. There are enough likely effective vaccines out there that I hope that by this time next year this will be mostly over. Since SO is a cancer survivor a vaccine, and not getting infected in the meantime, is our only hope.
I know about a dozen people who have had covid - not from work but from my personal life. 2 have died. A man aged 38 and a man aged ~70.
I know two people who know someone who died from it. Those who died was one man in their early 40s, and one 59 year old man.
I just find the idea that seniors should be hiding in their houses (and that's the polite version I'm sure some may think they should just die) because of coronavirus, like they had no right to a life as well, abhorrent. A society that doesn't care about it's old is no kind of society (don't confuse this with taking heroic measures at end of life, I mean people dying well before their time due to the pandemic). There was an article about a depressed senior who relies on social contact to avoid depression sneaking out. In a way good for them (at least if there is no strict lockdown but people are just lecturing seniors), but shame on policy for not controlling this pandemic better.
Many seniors are of course hiding from the world, well yea so is my middle aged self as well pretty much, mostly hiding, but this is because of failure in handling the virus, not some kind of how things should be. I mean I do the necessary errands of course and other than that I stay a lot at home, and noone but bf sees me without a mask!
There has been a lot in the news the last day or so about the privately owned frat houses at Indiana University refusing to shut down. A number of them are under county quarantine orders. At least one had a 90% positive test rate among the students living there.
I also heard that another school had suspended at least one fraternity for 3-4 years because it refused to stop having parties.
And one school on the east coast is going to start fining students who break the rules.
The young folks are a big problem. In Chicago, there are constant reports of large parties in black neighborhoods. Their community is getting hit quite hard and the young folks just keep on with their big parties.
The worst part about all the colleges with major infection rates is that they will likely shut down and send everyone home. And the germy kids will spread the disease far and wide both on the way and after they are there.
A college student who belongs to my church was sent home from her college elsewhere in the Midwest due to high positive test rates. She was apparently quite the social butterfly at school and now that she’s back with her parents, she still won’t stay home. Our pastor has forbidden her to come to services until she’s self quarantined for 14 days and has a negative test at the end of those 14 days. A number of our seniors have just started coming back to church. No more than 30 are allowed in a service, chairs far apart, etc. She is refusing to do what’s necessary for her to be allowed back at services. She’s very blatant about her continued socializing. It’s all over social media. I’ve seen it myself.
The young girl probably doesn’t want to go to church so it’s one way for her parents not to be able to make her.
I do not know of anyone who's had COVID-19, at least officially. I know a number of people who believe they had it, as far back as last Thanksgiving, though none have been tested for antibodies (for however much confidence you can have in that test). I won't take every single thing the CDC has to say as gospel ("No one has to wear a mask" at the beginning of the pandemic) but I agree with their assessment that COVID-19 was not a presence in the U.S. until early this year. It's odd that none of these people claiming to have had COVID-19 had severe symptoms, given the averages we've seen for serious (ICU, "long hauler", etc.) illness since the pandemic was declared.
DW and I have been distancing as much as we can while stealing a few well-prepared opportunities for socialization before much cooler weather sets in (eating outside in our backyard, six feet apart, everyone with their own meals and utensils, masks when not eating, one bathroom reserved for guests).
Earlier this week a close relative passed away suddenly in DW's hometown (non-COVID-related). Of course, we went over there, masks and face shields and hand sanitizer at our sides. Of the maybe dozen or so people who've cycled through our relative's house while we've been there to pay their respects and help out, only about half wore masks for any amount of time. I can kind of understand the survivor family not wearing masks inside at home (though the two adult children no longer live there and we did anyway out of concern for ourselves and others). One of the visitors was reluctant to wear a mask indoors (but has in larger groups) and works in a dentist's office. And two -- a nurse and a hairdresser (!) -- showed up maskless and never put them on around us.
It boggles my mind that so many bubbles are overlapping and there seems to be no concern about spread. It's like people have gotten tired of masking up and being careful and have willed coronavirus out of their lives. Or they somehow believe that, if they know the people involved, it's OK to throw caution to the wind. I wish that were so. DW and I have been sitting out a few days of isolation since we went over there, just to help make sure we can go back and be helpful. Sometimes I wonder if we're being overcautious for nothing and that all we're giving up will be done in by some deluded soul who believes this is all a hoax. *sigh*
People keep comparing this to the flu. I have no fear of the flu whatsoever, but I'm very wary of this virus--which can attack lungs, kidneys, heart, brain, and/or circulatory system, and can last indefinitely. I have to believe that the maskless are either foolishly unaware of known risks, or are getting their news from Russian propaganda sites or their allies.
My wife and I have a tradition now that the grandkids are older of going to the beach every year between Christmas and New Years. Last year we went to Huntington Beach South Carolina for 10 days and while we were there we developed what we thought was a severe case of the flu and marveled at the fact neither of our flu shots had helped us. By mid January we were better but once the Corona Virus became common knowledge we both wondered if that's what we had. Keeping that in mind, when my wife returned to school last week one of the other teachers told her that she and her husband had just tested positive for Covid antibodies and the only time they'd been sick was during the same time period as us, early January.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveinMN
Now we're wondering if we should have the antibody test, just to see.
She was always very active before she went away to school and when home on holidays and such. Fellow choir member. Member of the denomination’s college group.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
If you do I would be curious as to what you find out. We were both very sick with respiratory and fever back in March but had been nowhere, and it was not present here that was known, so we assumed it was not Covid. Now you just wonder, how long it's been around and how many people already have it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
I understand the immunity only lasts a few weeks or months (same as immunizations). Wouldn't that be shown in antibody tests?
I don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
My best friend said when flu season comes she may isolate again. Her husband works in a casino, her 3 grandchildren go to school and her daughter isn’t careful so not sure what the point is. She will want us to do the same but doubt we will do that.
I mentioned that my friend had it in February before we all knew to take precautions.
She said she was super sick and in bed for several days and when it was over she had some weird stuff going on with her lungs. I remember her coming to sit down in our living room and saying she just been to doc in a box to check for pneumonia because she didn’t know what was going on with her lungs.
Several months later she got tested and she has the antibodies so she’s quite certain she had it. She traced the time of getting it and timing makes sense that it coincides with a hair salon appointment.Her hairdresser has clients several women who travel to Europe. Her hairdresser had also been sick with something around that time.
My friend is 65 years old has diabetes and all kinds of compromising health situations, but she’s made a full recovery.
That's encouraging. I suspect I'd survive--as I've historically been pretty robust--but I have no desire to chance it. I have way too many books yet to read.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I talked to a woman on the phone recently that went dancing for her 74th birthday and didn't wear a mask. I asked her why she did not take precautions for the virus. Her response was she could take the "medicine" if she got sick. I asked what she was referring to and she said chloroquine. It is sad to see people listening to trump instead of the scientists and doctors. ... "the trump mentality" is staggering.
Unless the pastor forbids her parents as well, it won’t do any good. They are exposed to her and will bring it church if she has it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tradd
No one knows for sure. And many people who had it don’t show antibodies after a few weeks, but they might have a T cell response if exposed again, which would confer immunity. A negative antibody test means little, but a positive test confirms that you had covid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
The parents are staying home themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tammy
It's tough to know, and the unreliability of many antibody tests doesn't help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tammy
DW and I and DD/DSiL had really persistent upper-respiratory infections in February. DD insists it was the coronavirus because colds don't usually knock her flat for 3-4 days like this one did. DW and I had the same bad cold but it didn't knock us down for several days; it just took forever to get over and I just assumed we were ping-ponging it back and forth for weeks. None of us had the classic symptoms. Maybe it was COVID-19; at that time, you didn't get a test unless you were on your way to a ventilator.
Sometimes I still feel like there's not much left in my tank, but I don't know if it's allergies being especially bad this year or that we didn't get the exercise we were used to because our activities stopped old in March. Since we're taking precautions, I don't know if it matters if we've had COVID-19 or haven't had it -- it's not like people can tell us right now with high specificity what it all means for now and the future. So we go on and act like we have it and could get it again. Seems the safest thing to do.
I may have had it in January but at this point I think I will never know. Any antibodies I may have had have probably faded by now. Tests were available but my doctor would not give them/order them.
Our DD who lives with us came back from attending/working a conference in Fla in mid March, tired and run-down. She just kept getting sicker and sicker - trouble breathing (and she is asthmatic), nausea, headaches, muscle aches, hives, and a nasty itchy rash on her legs... her doctor declined to test (or let her come to the office!) and just kept saying "if you can't breathe go to the ER, we can't do anything here". She is still not at 100%, all these months later. She finally got an antibody test last week, but nothing showed. Her current physician is sure she had covid, from the description of symptoms. DH and I did not have any symptoms, thankfully. However, we are continuing to proceed carefully, only going out masked, armed with sanitizer, and trying to stay away from others as much as possible.