Is Ben Carson starting to look even more weird?

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Originally Posted by pinkytoe

Someone on this board recommended a book called The Sociopath Next Door which I thoroughly enjoyed reading. Some of our candidates fit the profile.

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Some? Most!

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Originally Posted by pinkytoe

Someone on this board recommended a book called The Sociopath Next Door which I thoroughly enjoyed reading. Some of our candidates fit the profile.

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thanks, I think I would like that

Perhaps someone could write a book about the banksters that brought down the economy in 2008 called "The Millionaire Sociopath Next Door."

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Originally Posted by jp1

Perhaps someone could write a book about the banksters that brought down the economy in 2008 called "The Millionaire Sociopath Next Door."

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Yeah, but don't they all live in walled enclaves?

"The Millionaire Sociopath Next Door...over the razor-wire fence, past the armed guards, and through the security system that you go through to do his laundry for your pittance."

Carson's assumption that he could have simply waltzed in to West Point uncontested is absurd, but considering his apparent vanity its pretty logical that he would get to that conclusion. Given that the scholarship remark is plausible enough since, as others have said, everyone who gets in gets a scholarship. His recollections of the past are far less troubling to me than his obvious lack of understanding regarding the economy, foreign policy, science, slavery, pyramids... The guy looks to be a foot wide and a mile deep. Engage him on surgical techniques and it would probably be a real learning opportunity for most of us, but anything else? Well, not so much. To answer the OP, yes, he is.

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Originally Posted by Gregg

... His recollections of the past are far less troubling to me than his obvious lack of understanding regarding the economy, foreign policy, science, slavery, pyramids... .

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That too...Plus Roe vs Wade and the separation of church and state.

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Originally Posted by pinkytoe

Someone on this board recommended a book called The Sociopath Next Door which I thoroughly enjoyed reading. Some of our candidates fit the profile.

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My husband and I are in the middle of reading "The Sociopath Next Door" and we thought the same thing. Sorry, I can't remember who suggested reading it, but thank you!!! Hubby and I have had a lot of discussions from it so far, including the political links.

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Originally Posted by iris lilies

It's not a "lie." He is using a word, scholarship, in a way different than your narrower definition of the word. No buildings were bombed, no one was tortured or blown up or riddled with bullets due to his misuse of the conventional meaning of this word.

But but you are welcome to continue to focus on this single point.

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Once again, IL I think you are missing the point.
Carson wasn't offered ANYTHING. period. Not a scholarship, a free ride, an appointment, nothing. Semantics has nothing to do with it. He was not offered a place at West Point. At all. If he were, it would be in the record cause no one is offered anything until after some pretty intense vetting.
So you see, there was no offer to turn down. No general Westmorland to make an offer (which he wouldn't anyway), and no appointment, free or otherwise.

But, feel free to carry on your defense of this pathological liar.>8)

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Originally Posted by peggy

Once again, IL I think you are missing the point.
Carson wasn't offered ANYTHING. period. Not a scholarship, a free ride, an appointment, nothing. Semantics has nothing to do with it. He was not offered a place at West Point. At all. If he were, it would be in the record cause no one is offered anything until after some pretty intense vetting.
So you see, there was no offer to turn down. No general Westmorland to make an offer (which he wouldn't anyway), and no appointment, free or otherwise.

But, feel free to carry on your defense of this pathological liar.>8)

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peggy, I actually agree with you--I think--?--that there was no concrete offer given to Ben Carson at an ROTC dinner where a bunch of jawing took place. He "heard" a lot of recruitment talk that sounded like a firm offer, or else later after decades ratcheted up a recruitment conversation to something firm.

I also agree that careful vetting takes place, normally, for anyone going to West Point. I's are dotted, T's Are crossed.

We have no idea what went on behind the scenes 45 years ago and for all you know, recommendations from his school administrators and other people in authority went to army brass who then decided to meet this young man for a hard recruit.

I completely disagree with you that all students go through the same vetting process. There are always exceptions. Surely you, with your Armed Services background, would agree that if Westmoreland or someone of his position decides a student is exceptional enough to be a "must accept" for West Point, the power of his word would carry out that deed. But that's all theoretical since this doesn't fit Carson's situation.

I don't think Ben Carson would have necessarily rated that treatment back then although now he would likely be a strong candidate for a automatic West Point appointment. Those were the days before affirmative action and quotas, and today the Ben Carsons of the world are wined and dined by prestigious academic institutions, and there is fierce competition to get them.

If you want to interpret Carson's representation of this incident as a braggagio or swollen head, ok, I think that's a rational interpretation though I dIsagree. Escalating this this 45 year old incident to "lie" is silly and isn't rational.