Will Trump behave himself at the G20 summit?

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7-10-17, 8:36am
LDAHL

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Originally Posted by Williamsmith

Some day we will have a single payer healthcare system simply because we failed to agree on how to fix this horrible system we have now. Whether Obamacare is so abhorrent because it was a rush job or because it was intended to place us in a favorable frame of mind for accepting single payer.......doesn't matter.....it will be irrelevant. What this thread proves is we are incapable of problem solving without finger pointing and so we will look for a model to adopt. Well, lucky for us, there are plenty to choose from and before we kill each other over it.......we ought to pick one and commit for the sake of preserving the superpower we still are. Moving along the same path is sure ruin. After all folks...this isn't rocket science.....it's just healthcare.

I think you're right on that. The Rugged Individualists and Eternal Victims will argue for a few more years, but in the end government scope creep and entitlement marketing will -probably win out. Hopefully, there will still be some free-market supplement options allowed at the margins.
7-10-17, 10:59am
ToomuchStuff

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Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife

What part of being assumed to be a looter for simply protesting being unacceptable to an extreme don't you understand, Bae? Rob of the 85006

You made the assumption. You need to step down or be removed.
7-10-17, 11:29am
iris lilies

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Originally Posted by ToomuchStuff

You made the assumption. You need to step down or be removed.

Or at least dial back the faux-victim talk. Rob, no one called you a looter. That looting happens in conjunction with protesting is hardly a shocking disclosure.
7-10-17, 11:42am
KayLR

Terry, what a difficult situation--my heart goes out to you.
7-10-17, 12:16pm
Tybee

Yes, Terry, Freshstart, you guys are on the frontlines here. SO hard. And Terry--for stepping up for your friends--I am in awe.
7-10-17, 12:23pm
gimmethesimplelife

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Originally Posted by iris lilies

Or at least dial back the faux-victim talk. Rob, no one called you a looter. That looting happens in conjunction with protesting is hardly a shocking disclosure.

In my world, protesting does not automatically equate with looting. Matter of fact, there was no looting going on last Fall when I protested against the Well Fargo Brand when their evil came to light, nor was there any looting at the United Airlines Brand protests I recently was part of. It's a stereotype - and one I'll admit is perpetuated by the media, that looting always takes place at protests. Not so. I am living proof of otherwise. Rob
7-10-17, 12:26pm
gimmethesimplelife

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Originally Posted by Tybee

Yes, Terry, Freshstart, you guys are on the frontlines here. SO hard. And Terry--for stepping up for your friends--I am in awe.

+1 Rob
7-10-17, 12:27pm
gimmethesimplelife

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Originally Posted by KayLR

Terry, what a difficult situation--my heart goes out to you.

+1 Rob
7-10-17, 1:31pm
catherine

Terry: I also admire you for your selfless friendship.

Rob: I agree that it's pretty insulting to equate protesting with looting. There have been tons of peaceful protests in history--although some have turned violent by the protestees (I guess that's not a word--it got rejected by spellcheck. I'm thinking in particular of all the non-violent protests by King, Gandhi and Mandela)
7-10-17, 1:33pm
gimmethesimplelife

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Originally Posted by catherine

Terry: I also admire you for your selfless friendship.

Rob: I agree that it's pretty insulting to equate protesting with looting. There have been tons of peaceful protests in history--although some have turned violent by the protestees (I guess that's not a word--it got rejected by spellcheck.)

Thank You, Catherine. I appreciate your take on this and your kind words. Rob
7-10-17, 1:34pm
Tybee

I don't think Occupy was marked by looting, either.
7-10-17, 1:36pm
ApatheticNoMore

It's kind of like someone who is convinced all black people are looters. Is it worth wasting time arguing with them? Only if it was an honest mistake (they don't get out much or something and so kind of don't know anything). But it's usually not.

Now I question how *effective* much protesting is but ...
7-10-17, 1:36pm
gimmethesimplelife

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Originally Posted by Tybee

I don't think Occupy was marked by looting, either.

Bingo! Though I will say the one area where the Occupiers did not play nice in the sandbox.....they left a lot of garbage behind.....not especially good PR. Rob
7-10-17, 1:40pm
Tybee

The Occupy people I know, and yes, they still get together, although they have morphed into the Indivisible people, are staunch environmentalist plus Northern Michiganders, and they leave no trash, anywhere.
7-10-17, 1:41pm
ApatheticNoMore

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Bingo! Though I will say the one area where the Occupiers did not play nice in the sandbox.....they left a lot of garbage behind.....not especially good PR. Rob

that's the stereotype (maybe some truth), about how messy Occupiers were (oh and smelly!), now I approached an Occupy encampment and it was indeed messy and filled with smelly people! And then I realized that wasn't really the encampment but just a park on the way there that was full of homeless people! (and no Occupiers right there because it wasn't the encampment).

Haha, that's your real urban realities there. Would anyone even notice Occupy litter in all the background litter? Part of the cleaning up thing is if one is made to evacuate in the middle of the night or whatever by the police, there isn't actually ANY TIME to clean up one's stuff. That is what happened with many Occupy encampments. Of course Occupy also did welcome actually seriously marginalized people like homeless as well.
7-10-17, 1:46pm
JaneV2.0

Protests are often infiltrated by the lawless--e.g. the anarchist groups that regularly show up. I suspect that there are paid (or not) provocateurs, too, who turn up just so the narrative can be set to "see, those violent hippies are at it again." Most of us who protest are resolutely peaceful. I was in an anti-war march in Seattle with 10,000 of my closest friends that was completely without incident. Also without influence, unfortunately.
7-10-17, 1:50pm
gimmethesimplelife

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Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore

It's kind of like someone who is convinced all black people are looters. Is it worth wasting time arguing with them? Only if it was an honest mistake (they don't get out much or something and so kind of don't know anything). But it's usually not.

Now I question how *effective* much protesting is but ...

ANM, I get your point and I agree as to is it worth arguing with such people in the first place.....One of the more interesting quirks in my personality is that I could care less what such people think of me - I stand up for my husband, my in-laws, my Mother, and the many folks I am privileged to know in the 85006 way before I stand up for myself. That was what this spat here between myself and other regular posters here was about, at least from my side of things. But I agree......I am not going to change minds here. It's hard not to stand up for others against injustice, though. Rob
7-10-17, 1:51pm
Teacher Terry

Thanks for the kind words. I really appreciate it:)) Diane never had any kids and most of her family was dead so really no one to help. Her DH had kids in the neighboring state. Finally the last 8 months they did help with him. I would want someone to help me if I was in that situation. Interestingly enough this couple doggy sat for us when they were well and the dogs all loved them. A week after Diane died my favorite dog died so I told her to go be with them. A few nights later they all appeared in my dream together.
7-10-17, 1:54pm
catherine

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Originally Posted by Tybee

I don't think Occupy was marked by looting, either.

That's right.
7-10-17, 2:17pm
Tybee

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Originally Posted by Teacher Terry

Thanks for the kind words. I really appreciate it:)) Diane never had any kids and most of her family was dead so really no one to help. Her DH had kids in the neighboring state. Finally the last 8 months they did help with him. I would want someone to help me if I was in that situation. Interestingly enough this couple doggy sat for us when they were well and the dogs all loved them. A week after Diane died my favorite dog died so I told her to go be with them. A few nights later they all appeared in my dream together.

Oh, that is so nice, very encouraging to hear
7-10-17, 2:24pm
bae

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Originally Posted by JaneV2.0

Protests are often infiltrated by the lawless--e.g. the anarchist groups that regularly show up.

As I've mentioned, I show up for the regular Washington State Patrol's anti-riot/protest training sessions, to be one of the role-playing protesters. It's sort of fun getting water-cannoned, tear gassed, batoned, and tackled/arrested, all by people trying to learn to do so in a reasonably-safe fashion for all concerned.

In my chats with the WSP folks, they also believe there is a core of agitators who show up at pretty much every protest with the intent to incite disharmony of various sorts. They spend a fair bit of effort trying to identify these "frequent flyers"...
7-10-17, 4:12pm
dmc

Looks like the protesters at the G20 had a good time. Only several hundred police officers injured. And Some looting and rioting.

All in good fun.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/08/europe...sts/index.html

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