Oh, is that where we are now, making accusations against anyone asking simple questions?Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
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Oh, is that where we are now, making accusations against anyone asking simple questions?Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Sophistry.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I don't think it's an issue of free press vs censored press. It's an issue of more people claiming their right to say and do outrageous things because the political atmosphere grants permission. It's an issue of the previous political leadership and some of the present-day acolytes leading by example, and in this case, hateful, incendiary example. I'm sure there are many people who are happy to take the lid off their violent predilections because, after all, the former President's mocking, jeering, shunning, and outlawing sends a clear message that it's OK.
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Originally Posted by Alan
Hmm, I guess so.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Under current First Amendment jurisprudence, hate speech can only be criminalized when it directly incites imminent criminal activity or consists of specific threats of violence targeted against a person or group. (American Library Association)
"...the latest 'evil guy with a gun...'" fixed it for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
If you enter "Republican anti-gay rhetoric" into a search engine, you'll get a wealth of information back.
From the first article cited:
This past election, Republican candidates ran on a platform that characterized queer and transgender people as “groomers.” They targeted the families that support them as criminals. And many of the candidates talking like this won their races. In less than a decade, the right has managed to breathe new life into an old, dangerous narrative — queer and transgender people are threats to children and to the health of the nation. This strategic scapegoating is by design. It galvanizes white, conservative GOP voters by stoking the basest of emotions — fear of erasure.
Ed note: the vast majority of pedophiles are heterosexual, often married men
It would also be helpful if Democrats stopped writing checks to help the “rabid” sort of Republicans win their primaries against the other sort.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
I don’t think LGBTQ people abuse minors at any bigger rate than hetero men do, but of course there’s more heterosexual pedophiles because there’s just more heterosexual men in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
And that’s the tricky part, determining when speech directly incites criminal activity.Quote:
Originally Posted by KayLR
Black Lives Matters leaders have no responsibility for the wreckage and mayhem caused during their “peaceful “protests. Anti-police speechifying has no consequences I need to notice. Yet, police Captain David Dorn is dead. What an unfortunate coincidence.
Whataboutism.
I will admit that I find what aboutism to be a dull argumentative tactic and so I often don’t bother with rejoinders because like I said, it’s boring. But David Dorn was at the top of my mind because we had out-of-state guests here this week and we talked about him.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Ok groomer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Our vigil, winding down.
https://i.imgur.com/nAH8otX.jpg
And now Mx Aldrich is reported to be non-binary, which would seem to potentially put some commentors in a quandary. Can we accept that as a fact that only mean-spirited Republicans and other bigots would dare refute or will we need to re-evaluate his/their motive and influences? As for me, I'm sticking with 'he's crazy'.
Something happened in this area recently that stunned me. Now I am out at work but also very low key. I do not take LGBT activism (or police activism, either) into the workplace. I just don't.
I was stunned the other day when the GM non-chalantly asked me if I'd be bringing my husband (yes, he did say husband) to the off site no alcohol holiday gathering. This one question really showed me how much LGBT rights have advanced in this country, regardless of what happened in Colorado Springs. And yes we will be attending - but very low key. Rob
He does seem to have a fairly standard crazy guy biography. But I don’t suppose that’s a barrier to attributing his actions to vile emanations from deplorable rhetoric. It’s one of those unfalsifiable propositions we so often see in the culture wars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Mx Aldrich’s motivations:
1. Mx adopts non binary identity on the advice of his attorneys to lessen the hate crime element of his dastardly act
or
2. Mx adopts non binary persona some time ago, hates himself for it, wants to shoot up his influencers
or
3. Mx happily adopts non binary persona some time ago ( months? Years?) and having been to this club several times, knows the layout and it is just a familiar place for him to act out
or
4.Mx be crazy
pick one, or name others if not on this list
That is nice, Rob.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
Mildly funny play on words. I will give you a B-.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
#1 was my first take on it, but time will tell. Very few of these monsters are what I would call crazy. He could very well be a self-hating non-binary person stirred by all the hateful rhetoric we stew in.
The pace of positive change can be discouraging, Rob, but yes, we've come a long way in my lifetime.
It's entirely possible to imagine a situation in which the shooter falls into multiple categories *at the same time*:
1) is non-binary
2) is crazy
3) was radicalized by the growing anti-LGBTQ rhetoric of our political leaders spilling into the real world
Yes, I accept that more than one could be true at the same time.Certainly there are seemingly disparate elements that can be woven into the narrative of your ( the generic you) choice, using imagination and hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Is it still gaslighting to imagine only a few of those categories?Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Come now...Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
For myself, I have enough trouble discerning the motivations of (superficially) sane minds, much less confidently explaining how insane minds are programmed by the angertainment industry.
For instance, there are FBI agents walking the halls of my kid’s high school this morning. A shortened day was further shortened by a bomb threat. The feds are involved because the threat was traced to somewhere in Canada. I could see this, along with the Pelosi attack, as clear evidence of a pattern of Canadian violence. Or I could just wait for further details. I find it takes less effort to wait for details to emerge than try to build onto a pre-existing narrative with mismatched parts.
Okay---Darn Right, LDAHL! Send up the B-52's to avenge this! In case you kids don't know and don't care, there has been a mass-murder at an employee break room in Cheseapeake, Va. with 6 down. The suspect allegedly committed suicide. It mighta been the work of an idealistic member of an anti-walmart-employee hate group! I'll have to see the Tee-vee reports and the made-for-tee-vee movee, before I'm convinced, though. Anyway, the killer didn't slash his victims with a knife, or throw gas on them and light it, or take an axe to them or run them down in the parkin' lot. . Nope. Thankfully, a handgun was used! Aren't you Gladd? As I write this, the ink is drying on paperwork organizing a WEDSVG(Wallymart Employee Deranged Supervisor Victims Group), and asking for cash contributions. The goal is $50 million, but hopefully more. Just remember: Inside every black cloud is a silver lining. Yup.. Hope that helps you some. Thankk me.
Another tragedy. That's what happens when you live in a hate-based society.
Yup. Prolly so. Truthfully, what's going on is our own internal undeclared vietnam-style war. Our "troops" haven't got a national cause to fight for overseas, so it's each man to himself, fighting as a commando. Guerrilla warfare. Why can't we all just get along, and be satisfied with watching Football? But yeah--the reason I offer that theory is that I've listen to accounts of young kids out of high school who immediately signed up for military service, and were shipped off to fight in foreign wars. They were just gullible and idealistic kids, who thought boy---this will be an adventure! Stuff like that. Hope that helps you some. It seems to be a syndrome, that affects some people, like Charles Whitman or Lee Oswald. Hope that helps you some. Thankk Mee.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
Indeed. It takes crazy rationalization to watch a bunch of politicians and their supporters in the media vilify and demonize groups of people for years and then those groups become targets of violence. And frankly those same politicians can take their worthless ‘thoughts and prayers’ and shove them up their sorry, hateful asses.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
The mood amongst the < 40 years olds at our vigil last night was very much leaning in the "it's time to pick up a hammer and start smashing things, no more thoughts and prayers are wanted..." direction. Previous events have had a more peace-hugs-and-unicorn sorta vibe.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Me, I've been providing self-defense training to LGBTQ folks since the 1980s, because I don't see "society" stepping up to protect folks, and indeed, these days the direction appears to be going the opposite, in parts of the USA.
Even here, we had one drive-by last night of a large dually diesel pickup truck(*) flying a giant American flag from the bed. This is driven by one of the same fellows who is no longer welcome at the medical centers, grocery stores, and pharmacy here because of his trespasses during an anti-mask event he helped organize. I'm sure that's not connected to why he honked his horn, "rolled coal", and shouted incomprehensible words from his truck last night while folks were silently mourning. At 8PM on our main 15mph street, in an otherwise dark and closed(**) village.
"Very fine people on both sides"...
(*) which I've never ever seen on a job site here, or towing anything.
(**) they pretty much roll up the sidewalks here at 7PM in the winter.
Ted Cruz's teenage daughter came out as bi earlier this year. And today she attempted suicide. While we don't know at this point what drove her to do that the reality is that statistically LGBTQ youth are significantly more likely to attempt suicide than their straight counterparts. I hope that she finds the support and love that she, and all LGBTQ youth, need to get through what is a difficult time in most LGBTQ people's lives. It might also help her and all the other LGBTQ teens out there if republicans stopped demonizing LGBTQ people in general...
Jp1, I agree so much with you on this one. These controversial lawmakers have families and they make their life anything but normal.
We were in a chipotle once in Northern Washington DC area. Suddenly the secret service came in, checked the restrooms and walked among the diners. They stationed themselves around the restaurant and Obama's teen daughter came in. She was with a group of friends and they were acting like teenagers having fun.
Can you imagine Barron Trump doing that?
The polarizing, demonizing speech of people like Ted Cruz, Trump, and Mark Meadows must be very hard on their families. Especially on teens who have so much societal pressure on them.
I don't like Cruz and I feel so awful for that poor you girl trying to navigate normal teenager stuff with a father like hers.
But I guess the midterms showed people are tired of Gay, Black, non Christians, even woman who medically need an abortion being demonized. The "Trump is just being Trump" excuse to dismiss uncivility, meanness and hate of segments of our citizens has been rejected across the country. With inflation and the unpopularity of Biden it should have been a red wave. Start treating all human beings like they are equal and valued members of our society.
Perhaps the voters are tired of everyone being demonized, and using the personal problems of a 14 year old girl to beat your favorite hobby horse, the evil mean Republicans, is one kind of tiresome trope.Quote:
Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere
Fortunately, the Respect for Marriage act passed even though most of the evil mean Republicans voted against it. Would love to hear their reasoning. They'd probably say--with straight faces--that civil rights should be left up to the states. Missed your chance to be a mensch, Lindsey. I was pleasantly surprised to see Senator Romney voted in favor.
It seems there are so many more proclaimed bi or trans teens these days. Recently found out that my 13yo male nephew now identifies as she when previously he was they. I remain accepting of any person's gender identity but nevertheless confused...
According to older, wiser people who have transitioned--like Buck Angel--young people should think and think again before taking any irreparable steps. Even chemical ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by pinkytoe
At least proclaiming yourself bi isn't immutable.
Buck is certainly making the social media rounds these days telling tales of caution about medicalized transition and extreme surgeries too early.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
His is considered hate speech, however. Which is one reason why the accusation of “hate speech “ lobbed at me doesn’t have much meaning to me.
Same with my girl Blair White, canceled on Youtube (technically, “ demonitized”) for her truth telling about de transitioning too early.
The Number of detransitioners on YouTube is high, but I know that the answer to that kind of hate speech is well, that’s a tiny percentage of transitioners and besides they have been pressured to detransition.
Who knows maybe so. My current favorite De-transitionor is Daisy Chadra who said she transitioned to male because she didn’t like the traditional roles women were supposed to take on. After living just a few years as a man, she has since transitioned back to being a young woman. This was not until after she cut off her breasts. But now she’s the mother of a baby that she produced in her own womb, and she has long blonde curls and a male partner, and is talking on YouTube about how she’s attracted to the idea of stay at home mom and wife.
You can’t make this shit up.
In the evil mean Republican circles I move in, the main objection I hear is that the bill provides insufficient protections for individuals who don’t want to provide services or support.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
Some doctors and other scientists with questions about COVID vaccines are tiptoeing out of the closet now, too. I'm not sure how/when valid concerns became hate speech.