Talked with an Asian relative with firsthand knowledge... it is WORSE than being reported!Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
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Talked with an Asian relative with firsthand knowledge... it is WORSE than being reported!Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
What details did you get?Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
yes, the biochemical details I have to gloss over but his calmness is helpful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
Anecdotal info is not very helpful. Asian? Korean, Chinese (outside Wuhan and area or inside), Japanese, Taiwan, etc. Each country faces their own issues. "Worse than being reported" exactly what does this mean? Worse for them, worse for the community, worse than what? Are they under quarantine? Or are they just afraid or mad at the change in life style due to limitations being imposed? Sounds so much like what our media is presenting as news.
Everyone is on lockdown. even having difficulties going out to replenish food supplies. I did not ask any more since my niece was really upset and freaked out by it all. It was enough to realize this is a MAJOR threat.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
My nieces family is in China. I am not exactly sure where. Believe what you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by sweetana3
DMC, I hope you are being sarcastic? When the health care workers get sick along with the patients, it does not matter what type of health care is available. In the UK, even the regular flu season causes huge problems. Add this to the existing problems of lack of personnel and beds and a disaster could be coming. No country has the ability to isolate and treat the volume of patients possible in a pandemic.
I wonder what long term consequences might be? China loosing it's position as the world's #2 economy? Manufacturing moving to Mexico from China? More Americans realizing the raw deal they ate getting due to human life not automatically being worth health care? What do you'all think other long term consequences might be? Rob
Cuba controlled the spread of AIDS by locking up everyone who was HIV positive.
True. And absolutely horrific. Worse than Reagan and his Let Them Eat Cake attitude. RobQuote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
So annoying that I can't edit on my smartphone. Should be realizing the raw deal, human life, and deal they are getting above. RobQuote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
Not sure why you can't. The mobile template has edit capabilities built in, the tools are there.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
Maybe it's my phone.....an Android LG Stylo 5, free from Metro PCS. When I attempt to edit, my posts get deleted. I am often posting on the fly from work and moving very fast hence the mistakes. RobQuote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Frugal, it’s been all over the news that some of the Chinese are literally locked in their homes. I wondered what would happen if there was a fire. It doesn’t go well for people there that disobey orders.
Yes it is a major threat.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
My nephew is in China teaching English. He is an hour and a half away from Wuhan. He and his girlfriend who live together have been in quarantine for weeks now. They are allowed out a couple times a week. They are continuing some of their teaching via online methods.
I've seen alleged photos online of the metal bars the authorities in China are putting on people's doors to keep them from getting outside of their residences. Very scary. I hope, hope, hope this virus does not become so serious in North America that such is even on the table for consideration here. Let us hope. RobQuote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
Just curious, IL. How do they access food? They did stock up beforehand, is the government passing out basic supplies and food, or do they get what they can the couple of times a week they are allowed out into the world? Or a little of each of these? I wonder how food access works in this scenario and how food access might change based on the type of government one finds themselves living under during this outbreak (is that even the right word at this point? I'm not the most medically savvy person - I'm not sure what word applies to the coronavirus now). RobQuote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
PS Best wishes to your nephew and his girlfriend to make it to the other side of this healthy.
Continuing my stocking up this afternoon. I just left the vet where I picked up specialty cat food for my cat - one thing I will spend money on now that I can afford it. No way is my cat going to suffer in any way during this if I can help it. Next up - bottled water and more TP. Rob
After grocery shopping this morning in the vicinity of two people coughing productively too close for my comfort, I'm considering a pickup service at the store, wherein someone comes out with the groceries you've ordered and loads them into your car for a modest fee. I've been swilling nostrums and washing my hands and gargling and snorting salt water and swabbing myself with antiseptic wipes and I feel like a hypochondriacal idiot.
Jane, I don't consider you a hypochonondriacal idiot, not at all. What's going on in China right now is deathly serious, and it's spreading around the world. My take is that you are just trying to establish a little personal power over a very unsettling situation - I totally understand, and my herbal immunity boosters I'm taking? The exact same concept - I don't even know if they are indeed effective against the coronavirus - but it's doing what little I can do, which to me is better than nothing. RobQuote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
Robb, I bet it’s your phone because I can edit from mine. It’s a iPhone 7.
They buy groceries when they are allowed out.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
My son is teaching English in Vietnam but they have closed all the schools.
Not that we shouldn't care about anywhere else, but the U.S. is where I live, it's where I will get medical care (if needed), and I cannot control what other countries choose to do about this epidemic. It's hard to avoid a 24-hour news cycle that sensationalizes based on conjecture and little usable information, heads of state that pay no heed to science in addressing the crisis (at any level) and consider the outbreak a personal affront to their paranoia, and countries with a long-practiced disinterest in accurately reporting negative domestic news.Quote:
Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore
This virus may well be the 21st Century equivalent of the 19th Century's Spanish Flu. But we don't know that yet and I'm just not up for hysteria until that is deemed an appropriate response. I'll just practice some better hygiene habits and prepare for maybe having to remain in place for a couple of weeks. Right now there's not enough information for me where I am now to do much differently. I've got lots of other things to worry about.
I bet there are more people in this situation than we'd think. Wishing your sln the best with this situation. RobQuote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
Should be son, sorry for the typo.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
I wish he would come home but at 40 he loves it and I am not telling him what to do.
Right now, this is not Ebola. This is not the 1918 Spanish flu which was almost worse than Ebola. So far the professionals estimate that 80% get a mild case, 18% a serious case and 2% can die. The elderly (over 80) and those with an underlying condition are most of the ones dying. Remember that only those with symptoms from specific areas or with specific situations are being tested. So the thousands that had it and got over it are not even counted and will increase the 80% having mild cases. And it has been found that the test is not perfect.
Keep in mind the death rate will fluctuate depending on the availability of medical facilities to treat the critical cases. I think that is why Iran, in particular, has a high death rate. Well that plus the lockdown on the media reporting and social factors.
I am not concerned about myself but am about my elderly parents. They bought a 50 pound bag of potatoes but other than that are taking it in stride. But both of them have made peace with their God and everyone on earth, appreciate that they got beyond fourscore and ten, and while they treasure each day (especially my mom who almost died twice) are ready to go if corona or anything else takes them.
I love this! While I haven't bought a 50 pound bag of potatoes, I am trying to make my peace with everyone and everything. And, while treasuring each day is sometimes hard to do, again, I'm trying. I have seen how quickly death can come and I'm not counting on having "time" to prepare myself when it finally does come. Thanks for the reminder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
I’m like your parents I guess! We have a month or more of meds on hand, and could get by for a few weeks on food if needed. But my overall take is that we all die sometime and I’m not gonna freak out about this. I’ll just make prudent choices about travel and avoid crowds and wash my hands. Why panic? It does no good.
Tammy, that is exactly what we are doing.
I am concerned but not panicking because it’s outside my circle of control. However, China lied about the death rate and it wouldn’t surprise me if we followed suit.
One of the endless parade of horrors emerging lately is that Mike Pence, notorious science denier, is in charge of our response to this medical emergency.
Also, in a country with the highest medical costs on the planet, we couldn't see our way clear to have even a tiny percentage of the respirators on hand that will be necessary should this hit pandemic status.
I wonder? Could one of the consequences of coronavirus be a more equitable society, should a major reset take place? I believe it's possible, especially given the amount if anger regarding and the continual realization of more and more Americans regarding American inequality. We'll see.....Rob
Should be the amount of anger above.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
Medcram is excellent for logical information. Thank you.
Living less than than an hour from Walt Disney World, Orlando airport and lots of old people and tourists, I feel it prudent to be prepared. We have a 24 hour Walmart a few miles away. I went this morning at 5:30 when it was empty and filled in the gaps I needed to stock up. I got some fruit juices, soups and s on to supplement my well stocked fridge and freezer. I’m avoiding crowds but not being too crazy. Had a lovely walk in the sunshine and 70’s temps today. We have a pile of books and lots of hobby stuff like sewing and woodworking too. No sense in being reckless when testing is very sporadic and from what I understand not too reliable being in the higher risk group. .
YES! Part of any prepping as I see it anyway is adding domething to fill up time should we be sequestered. Reading material, dvds of favorite movies/programs, some kind if indoor crafts/hobbies, that kind of thing. Also pet food!!! So glad I remembered that - no way is my cat suffering if I can help it. RobQuote:
Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere
Corrections - adding something to fill up time and some kind of indoor crafts/hobbies above. RobQuote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
The nice thing about cats and dogs is that they can eat what you eat, if you choose wisely--at least for the duration.