Why NOT to vote Republican

Iris, in this case, we are talking about 17 and 18 year olds. To be in Advanced Placement classes obviously you either are naturally gifted or study and are inquisitive. Kids who are headed for higher study in most cases. These kids are not idiots. Even in the most rigid "Christian" homes, if you are in public school and out in public, you see gay people. Kids who keep up with pop culture certainly know what is going on around them.

It really saddens me to think of the opportunities missed if kids are not exposed to the ideas in these advanced studies classes.

I would much rather see outrage about the lying ex President and his badgering and name calling.

And by the way, DeSantis has pledged to "slit throats on day one" in his presidential campaign. Maybe some fox watching idiot will try to get a head start.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ch/ar-AA1eKK24

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Iris, in this case, we are talking about 17 and 18 year olds. To be in Advanced Placement classes obviously you either are naturally gifted or study and are inquisitive. Kids who are headed for higher study in most cases. These kids are not idiots. Even in the most rigid "Christian" homes, if you are in public school and out in public, you see gay people. Kids who keep up with pop culture certainly know what is going on around them.

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out of curiosity, do you know what details are in the curriculum for AP classes about sexuality and gender? do you suppose conflicting opinions are presented? I think of this is a “social problems class” where required readings would include the likes of Deborah Soh, Kathleen Stock, Hannah Barnes in addition to the usual trans promoters Julia Sereno and her crowd.

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It really saddens me to think of the opportunities missed if kids are not exposed to the ideas in these advanced studies classes.

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it saddens me to think they’ll get to college where the ideology will be even more strongly promoted, echo chamber like.

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…It really saddens me to think of the opportunities missed if kids are not exposed to the ideas in these advanced studies classes.

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Republicans are not the only ones who think gender information is scary and inappropriate! Democrats need to be exposed to ideas in gender studies.

I just happened to watch a video clip from the congressional hearings on funding hospitals that perform gender reassignment surgeries, and the Democrats in the chamber got up and left in unison during testimony. They couldn’t stand to hear an expert on “their side “talk about the phalloplasty surgeries he performs, sometimes on adolescents.

He talked about a little known problem in doing surgery on natal men whose puberty have been suppressed, and they do not have enough genital material to be formed into a pseudo-functional vagina. This is a new problem because up until now, very few puberty suppressed natal men have presented themselves for this specific surgery.

it’s so weird that democratic congressmen don’t want to know about the drug regimes and gender surgery they are promoting.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Kgw3S5X3myI

I'm not sure how an AP class on sexuality and gender is offensive to anyone, or what it might have to do with phalloplasty (very little, I imagine.).

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I'm not sure how an AP class on sexuality and gender is offensive to anyone, or what it might have to do with phalloplasty (very little, I imagine.).

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I would not be “offended” but I would would be annoyed if the material did not present a balanced approach, and I would not respect the teacher.

There is a pretty good chance I would be annoyed and feel disrespect for most teachers of most of these silly classes. The devil is in the details though, and I would be very interested in seeing a class curriculum and reading list.

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out of curiosity, do you know what details are in the curriculum for AP classes about sexuality and gender? do you suppose conflicting opinions are presented? I think of this is a “social problems class” where required readings would include the likes of Deborah Soh, Kathleen Stock, Hannah Barnes in addition to the usual trans promoters Julia Sereno and her crowd.




it saddens me to think they’ll get to college where the ideology will be even more strongly promoted, echo chamber like.

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Here is the curriculum explanation. As I expected, it does not go into the anatomy and physiology of it all. Section 6.7

https://psychexamreview.com/ap-psych...20More%20items

And I don't think these classes are silly at all. Truthful information enhances our lives. Studying the arts, sciences, literatre, language, math and so on are the backbone of an educated, inquisitive population.

Also, I hate that teachers are being so demonized. The amount of distrust on the medical and educational community is appalling. No wonder there is a teacher, nurse and doctor shortage.

Another reason why Donald Trump is bad is because he signed into law the “COVID-19 consumer protection act” which is being used to silence a local St. Louis chiropractor who has a radio show. He talks about zinc and vitamin D preventing COVID-19.

I have several thoughts about this, and they are:

1. So hunh, a chiropractor selling snake oil cures. That’s hardly new.

2. Clearly, he’s being targeted and held up as an example.I doubt they’re going to go after Rachel Maddow for her Covid misinformation. She was serving the overlords at the at CDC so she got the stamp of approval. Some misinformation spreaders are more equal than others.


3. Did we REALLY need yet another law to address this sort of thing? Aren’t there existing laws that the FTC can invoke?

4. Probably you all think this law is great so I guess you can thank Donald Trump for it.





https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news...times-39481570

If a student in AP psychology has a differing opinion from whatever is presented as part of the curriculum then I would hope that they would speak up and present their alternative view. Then the whole class could discuss the pros/cons of the competing viewpoints and all would come away better educated and able to think critically. That’s kind of the whole point of a college education, and by extension high school classes that provide the opportunity to earn college credits. We need to get away from this awful perspective that college is simply a trade school to teach people how to do jobs and back to the idea that college teaches people how to think rationally.

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Here is the curriculum explanation. As I expected, it does not go into the anatomy and physiology of it all. Section 6.7

https://psychexamreview.com/ap-psych...20More%20items

And I don't think these classes are silly at all. Truthful information enhances our lives. Studying the arts, sciences, literatre, language, math and so on are the backbone of an educated, inquisitive population.

Also, I hate that teachers are being so demonized. The amount of distrust on the medical and educational community is appalling. No wonder there is a teacher, nurse and doctor shortage.

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This AP class is Introduction to psychology, it’s not specifically about sexuality and gender.

I listened to section 6.7 “Gender and sexual orientation” and it is uncontroversial as far as I’m concerned. But this teacher ties gender and sexuality tightly very early in his lecture, and then doesn’t mention gender again. That is not current thought by the trans community, but that sort of thing could be discussed in class when a student challenges it.

He mentioned twins study that shows of identical twins who are homosexual, only in 52% of those cases are both twins homosexual. I thought I remembered that percentage was quite a bit higher. In fraternal twins it’s 26% of the time that has both twins homosexual.

Vitamin D and zinc are well-known immune system boosters. Hardly controversial.

In hindsight, the whole of international media was complicit in spreading questionable COVID 19 information, probably at the behest of their governments.

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Vitamin D and zinc are well-known immune system boosters. Hardly controversial.

In hindsight, the whole of international media was complicit in spreading questionable COVID 19 information, probably at the behest of their governments.

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but yet, the Biden administration is going after him.

I would like to see a little humility from President Biden and his henchmen at the CDC, who are also Donald Trump‘s henchmen.

Here's why TO VOTE REPUBLICAN! For the Primaries. I switched my party to Republican. Why? Because I can't vote to nominate the Republican runner. If I switch I can. I encourage everyone who REALLY wants a certain egomaniac from gaining office AGAIN, to switch NOW! Maybe if enough people switch, we can change the tide. You can vote for WHOEVER you want come the actual Presidential election, but I can't stand the idea of a certain someone coming back into power. This is my small step to try and stop that. Not that I'm thrilled with the other runners, but way out ahead of the pack, I DO NOT WANT this maniac back in office.

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Here's why TO VOTE REPUBLICAN! For the Primaries. I switched my party to Republican. Why? Because I can't vote to nominate the Republican runner. If I switch I can. I encourage everyone who REALLY wants a certain egomaniac from gaining office AGAIN, to switch NOW! Maybe if enough people switch, we can change the tide. You can vote for WHOEVER you want come the actual Presidential election, but I can't stand the idea of a certain someone coming back into power. This is my small step to try and stop that. Not that I'm thrilled with the other runners, but way out ahead of the pack, I DO NOT WANT this maniac back in office.

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This is fine advice and I concur.

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Here's why TO VOTE REPUBLICAN! For the Primaries. I switched my party to Republican. Why? Because I can't vote to nominate the Republican runner. If I switch I can. I encourage everyone who REALLY wants a certain egomaniac from gaining office AGAIN, to switch NOW! Maybe if enough people switch, we can change the tide. You can vote for WHOEVER you want come the actual Presidential election, but I can't stand the idea of a certain someone coming back into power. This is my small step to try and stop that. Not that I'm thrilled with the other runners, but way out ahead of the pack, I DO NOT WANT this maniac back in office.

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This illustrates one of the problems with the open primary system. People interfering in the choices of a party they have no connection to. Crossover voting like you suggest was long a tool used by the Democratic political machine in Chicago. The hijacking of a party’s primary by MAGA idiots with little regard for that party’s basic philosophy. Guys like Bernie Sanders running in the primaries of a party he never pretended to be part of. Democrats spending millions in Republican primaries in support of candidates they hope will be weaker general election opponents. One party trying to force states to change primary schedules to benefit a current incumbent.

I personally think we got better quality candidates in the days of the smoke filled room.

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Here's why TO VOTE REPUBLICAN! For the Primaries. I switched my party to Republican. Why? Because I can't vote to nominate the Republican runner. If I switch I can. I encourage everyone who REALLY wants a certain egomaniac from gaining office AGAIN, to switch NOW! Maybe if enough people switch, we can change the tide. You can vote for WHOEVER you want come the actual Presidential election, but I can't stand the idea of a certain someone coming back into power. This is my small step to try and stop that. Not that I'm thrilled with the other runners, but way out ahead of the pack, I DO NOT WANT this maniac back in office.

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Yes, see my thread on Chris Christie. From a strategic point of view, I would vote for him in the primaries. Would I switch parties to do so? Of course. Biden's pretty much a shoo-in for the Dems and I don't think he's doing a bad job.

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but yet, the Biden administration is going after him.

I would like to see a little humility from President Biden and his henchmen at the CDC, who are also Donald Trump‘s henchmen.

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Yeah--I don't want a government, local or national, telling me what to think or how to think or when they can shut down my First Amendment right to criticize their pet alphabet agencies, which don't seem to have the public's interests at heart.

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Yeah--I don't want a government, local or national, telling me what to think or how to think or when they can shut down my First Amendment right to criticize their pet alphabet agencies, which don't seem to have the public's interests at heart.

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How about such attempts at chilling moves like that creepy “bias registry” they’re setting up in Minnesota?

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How about such attempts at chilling moves like that creepy “bias registry” they’re setting up in Minnesota?

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Considering that it's only the collection of data about incidents, not individuals, it's not particularly chilling. Except maybe to the people who want to pretend that certain demographics aren't targets of hate crimes.

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Considering that it's only the collection of data about incidents, not individuals, it's not particularly chilling. Except maybe to the people who want to pretend that certain demographics aren't targets of hate crimes.

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So, the State Department of Human Rights will compile a database of unsubstantiated allegations, subject to review and interpretation only by itself. They say they will use this “information” to “fight hate”. By this, I’m pretty sure they won’t be mandating love. They will use it to agitate for additional funding and to punish or embarrass municipalities, companies or individuals reluctant to get with their program. Maybe they can eventually set up commissions or tribunals to prosecute recalcitrant bakers. What could possibly go wrong with such a noble endeavor?

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So, the State Department of Human Rights will compile a database of unsubstantiated allegations, subject to review and interpretation only by itself. They say they will use this “information” to “fight hate”. By this, I’m pretty sure they won’t be mandating love. They will use it to agitate for additional funding and to punish or embarrass municipalities, companies or individuals reluctant to get with their program. Maybe they can eventually set up commissions or tribunals to prosecute recalcitrant bakers. What could possibly go wrong with such a noble endeavor?

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I suppose you’re right. Maybe a better plan is to just blatantly use state power to go after people you hate, the way desantis has done with Disney. At least then it’s all up front and apparent to everyone. The only difference between the two is that desantis is going after someone who wants to be more kind and inclusive and Minnesota wants to reduce hate and evilness. But I guess the fans of evilness feel threatened by that.

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But I guess the fans of evilness feel threatened by that.

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I think it's more like people who are filled with love and compassion, yet derided for adhering to free thought, may be concerned that our state and federal governments are building an infrastructure similar to parts of Europe. Currently in the UK, people have been arrested for silently praying outside abortion clinics. It's apparently a short step from "hate speech" (as defined by authoritarians) and "hate thought", which must be punished by the power of the state.

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I think it's more like people who are filled with love and compassion, yet derided for adhering to free thought, may be concerned that our state and federal governments are building an infrastructure similar to parts of Europe. Currently in the UK, people have been arrested for silently praying outside abortion clinics. It's apparently a short step from "hate speech" (as defined by authoritarians) and "hate thought", which must be punished by the power of the state.

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I suppose it’s also a short step from calling a trans woman an ‘ugly man’ to being told that you’re expressing hate.

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I suppose it’s also a short step from calling a trans woman an ‘ugly man’ to being told that you’re expressing hate.

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You express hate here nearly every day. Should we do something about that?

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You express hate here nearly every day. Should we do something about that?

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You could stop hating certain groups of people for existing? Ldahl’s kid would probably appreciate it if you would would do that.

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I think it's more like people who are filled with love and compassion, yet derided for adhering to free thought, may be concerned that our state and federal governments are building an infrastructure similar to parts of Europe. Currently in the UK, people have been arrested for silently praying outside abortion clinics. It's apparently a short step from "hate speech" (as defined by authoritarians) and "hate thought", which must be punished by the power of the state.

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it is shocking to me every time it is brought home that first amendment rights do not exist in other countries, in civilized western countries, like in the United States. Konstantin Kisin summarized it as: 400 people were arrested in Russia for what they wrote on social media. Do you know how many people were arrested in the UK? 3,000..

Yes.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GTn1He86oJk


treasure and protect your free-speech rights, folks. There’s nothing more important.

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You could stop hating certain groups of people for existing? Ldahl’s kid would probably appreciate it if you would would do that.

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“hating certain people for existing” is a ridiculous overstatement showing you are neither honest nor sincere in discourse.

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it is shocking to me every time it is brought home that first amendment rights do not exist in other countries, .... Do you know how many people were arrested in the UK? 3,000..

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I believe this is one of the reasons the US was founded, back in the day.

We are citizens here, not subjects of the Crown.

For all the good that does us.

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You could stop hating certain groups of people for existing? Ldahl’s kid would probably appreciate it if you would would do that.

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Ldahl’s kid would appreciate not being reduced to an ideological game piece by any species of culture warrior.

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You could stop hating certain groups of people for existing?

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I think these days the term "hate" is a lot like the term "racism", where the demand far exceeds the supply.

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I think these days the term "hate" is a lot like the term "racism", where the demand far exceeds the supply.

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Something a "true" republican would say.

Those who are so fast to label actions “hate “ think social media is actually real life. So far it is not thank goodness.

Pretty scary that the UK is prosecuting people for what they post on social media and quietly praying at abortion clinics. All are a bridge too far as is Minnesota’s plan.

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I think it's more like people who are filled with love and compassion, yet derided for adhering to free thought, may be concerned that our state and federal governments are building an infrastructure similar to parts of Europe. Currently in the UK, people have been arrested for silently praying outside abortion clinics. It's apparently a short step from "hate speech" (as defined by authoritarians) and "hate thought", which must be punished by the power of the state.

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How about working in the same building as a Planned Parenthood and having "Pro lifers" intimidating not only people trying to get medical help ( abortions were not performed at that particular office) but also patients going to see the dentist ( where I worked) How about Pro lifers calling in bomb threats at the same office, when we did sedation dentistry. The whole block of apartments, restaurants, a veterinary clinic and our building had to be evacated . Is that your idea of free speech? This was in the "Operation Rescue" in the Terry Randall era and his pack of flying monkeys. Have you any idea how scary that is?

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How about working in the same building as a Planned Parenthood and having "Pro lifers" intimidating not only people trying to get medical help ( abortions were not performed at that particular office) but also patients going to see the dentist ( where I worked) How about Pro lifers calling in bomb threats at the same office, when we did sedation dentistry. The whole block of apartments, restaurants, a veterinary clinic and our building had to be evacated . Is that your idea of free speech? This was in the "Operation Rescue" in the Terry Randall era and his pack of flying monkeys. Have you any idea how scary that is?

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Those experiences are terrible. I am sorry you experienced this.

I Support, everyone in carrying out their right to protest. That means staying on public property, holding signs, chanting, singing, but not impeding the movement of humans or traffic. Certainly bomb threats and real or threatened acts of violence go way beyond acts of free speech.

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“hating certain people for existing” is a ridiculous overstatement showing you are neither honest nor sincere in discourse.

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And ignoring that Alan called the bud light trans woman spokesperson an ugly man shows the same about you.

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Ldahl’s kid would appreciate not being reduced to an ideological game piece by any species of culture warrior.

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He'd probably also appreciate his father calling out people who call trans women ugly men for being the assholes they are. Feel free to ask him his thoughts on the subject and get back to us if I'm wrong.

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And ignoring that Alan called the bud light trans woman spokesperson an ugly man shows the same about you.

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Am I allowed to think Dylan Mullaney’s act is dumb and insulting to women without you telling me I hate Ms.Dylan for existing?

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Am I allowed to think Dylan Mullaney’s act is dumb and insulting to women without you telling me I hate Ms.Dylan for existing?

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You can think whatever you want. How others like me think about you as a result is out of your control.

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You can think whatever you want. How others like me think about you as a result is out of your control.

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I agree. What’s that saying? “What others think of me is none of my business.”

I just wish you didn’t share your hatred of others so frequently.

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And ignoring that Alan called the bud light trans woman spokesperson an ugly man shows the same about you.

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He'd probably also appreciate his father calling out people who call trans women ugly men for being the assholes they are. Feel free to ask him his thoughts on the subject and get back to us if I'm wrong.

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I don't think I ever said Dylan Mulvaney was ugly, although I did express my thought that the character being portrayed seems to be a parody of women. I'm not sure how that translates to "hate" in your mind.