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Originally Posted by Yppej
"More than 18 million people - three times higher than official records suggest - have probably died because of Covid, say researchers.Quote:
But covid is being exaggerated because that benefits certain people and entities.
Their report comes two years to the day from when the World Health Organization first declared the pandemic.
The Covid-19 excess mortality team at the US's Washington University studied 191 countries and territories for what they call the true global death figure."
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-60690251
FAKE NEWS!!!! FAKE STUDY!!! FAKE SCIENCE!!!! RESEARCHERS BEEN PAID OFF FOR SURE!!! INJECT BLEACH A.S.A.P.!!! INJECT BLEACH!!!
It's a global study, it's not specific to the u.s. or parts of it. More covid deaths than flu deaths is just well I suspect it's playing with numbers. Of people infected with flu or covid perhaps more die with flu, but since many more people get infected with covid, the reality is you don't have more flu that covid deaths. There just aren't more flu than covid deaths. That's just false. But someday there might be, well very well, that's just speculation, but sure someday their might be .... (and maybe it's because someday we have a flu pandemic but anyway). I mean literally seems pretty crazy to make decision based on what might be (or might not be but might be) a temporary lull. Flu deaths aren't even known until after flu season.
I know no convincing yeppej, whatever she cares about it's not getting at the truth. It's some weird performative freedom and information be damned. Yea whatever, no thanks.
As of today the US is still averaging 1,292 covid deaths per day. At that rate we would have 471,000 deaths for the year. Flu deaths are nowhere near that level, ever, in the past 100 years. The absolute worst flu season in the US in any of our lifetimes was 1957 with 116,000 deaths. The population was half as much then but even adjusting for population that would be 232,000 deaths. For the years 2010-2020 the average flu deaths in the US was 34,200. 1/12 the current death rate from covid. But sure, if one wants to normalize the current death rate I suppose that one can make that choice. Personally I’m not willing to be so casual when discussing a disease that has, in just two years, killed roughly 1 out of every 338 Americans and is still today, at the low end after a big surge, killing us at a rate of nearly 500,000 per year.
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I know there's a certain odd cachet in our small circle associated with belittling Jeppy, but she's right about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore
The original Financial Times story is behind a paywall but you can get a synopsis of it here: In England, COVID is now less deadly than the flu. But what about in the U.S.? (msn.com)
like I said (or maybe did, I think I edited my post too much lol) it's playing with numbers, even if a person who catches covid has less chance of dying of it than the flu if more people catch covid (look probably because transmissibility but I don't know the R0), thus you have more total deaths.
Omicron was less deadly than prior covid waves by that measure. In the U.S. insufficiently vaccinated as it is, there were more deaths due to Omicorn though because more people had it. I mean you can play some game, oh it doesn't really matter how many people die, the only thing that matters is deaths per people that catch it, but this tends not to match what people care about (it's not EVEN a useful measure if one was trying to figure their own odds with a positive covid test, it's too broad, that depends on vaccinations of course and then age and illnesses).
Yppej quickly goes from scanning headlines to drawing conclusions, generally incorrectly. And typically cherry-picking things to support their pre-existing biases.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
I spent several months in the UK during several of the waves. Their results are considerably more nuanced and depend on a few more things than Yppej's off-the-cuff quip. I believe I have mentioned here some of what I observed in the past.
And Yppej's "the covid is exaggerated because that benefits certain people and entities" is straight out of the Kremlin, and unsupported by fact.
If pointing that out is "belittling", well, so be it.
Safety tip though, the AstraZenica maths people are just a short walk from the Green Dragon pub (yes, *that* Green Dragon), which you may find of use some day if you are Doing Useful Things. I strongly suggest the pub *after* the maths.
I also suggest discounting pretty much everything Yppej says on the matter.
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BTW I hear covid somewhat increasing in the UK now. Go ahead make a grand prediction is it a bump or the start of a massive wave? Afterall, yeppej would ....
You're forgetting the Spanish flu of 1918.Quote:
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No I’m not. That ended more than 100 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
So now "the science" figures since they can't vaccinate animals, which are a reservoir for covid and other diseases, they will engineer a viral vaccine that creatures can pass to each other.
Because this couldn't evolve and get out of control like the virus did in the Wuhan lab, right????