Leadership gets offices there. And past leadership has traditionally gotten to keep their offices there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
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Leadership gets offices there. And past leadership has traditionally gotten to keep their offices there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Is it really a mystery? Kevin has done nothing for the Dems. They have bailed him out twice now and he didn’t keep his promises from the first time. How many times did he expect them to keep bailing him out? He was a weak speaker. He deserved to fail so spectacularly. Hopefully next November the rest of the sad sore loser party follows in his and the party’s sad sack leader’s footsteps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
I could subscribe to the be careful what you wish for theory and how a weak speaker could be to the dems advantage. It will at least throw the GOP into chaos for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Yes. The republicans are certainly in disarray currently. I’m not wishing for any of this. Or much of anything the republicans have done since 2016. They were bad enough before then but they have definitely upped their game to assholes on steroids at this point. Unfortunately for all of us rock bottom tends to be a whole lot lower than anyone ever thinks it is so we probably have a while to go before sanity prevails and they rebuild into a respectable political party again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
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Originally Posted by jp1
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And yet the republicans don’t seem to realize they’ve hit rock bottom. So they probably haven’t. Addiction, in this case to a horrible, destructive party leader, is a terrible thing that gets much worse than rational people can understand. In my life I’ve watched three friends self immolate from addiction. Sadly all three of them only hit rock bottom by dying. I hope the Republican Party realizes they’ve hit bottom before that point because god help our country if they don’t.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
“Nobody has any idea where these people are coming from, and we know they come from prisons. We know they come from mental institutions and insane asylums. We know they’re terrorists. Nobody has ever seen anything like we’re witnessing right now. It is a very sad thing for our country. It’s poisoning the blood of our country. It’s so bad, and people are coming in with disease. People are coming in with every possible thing that you could have.”
I realize he needs the Nazi vote to even remotely have a chance of winning but all the non nazi’s still supporting him are going to be judged accordingly by the rest of us.
I see President Biden is waiving a couple of dozen environmental laws to build a border wall in Texas.
I see that failure trump’s party continues to try and deflect from the idiocy and evilness that he espouses.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
At what point will the house republicans realize that not a single one of their members is capable of getting 217 votes from republicans alone? And what will they do about it?
It appears to me that the GOP is so deeply dysfunctional at this point that they cannot do their job.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
So why would anyone vote for them? Except to watch the world burn?
The impression that I get is that a not insignificant minority of them would be happier being the minority party. Then they could scream and yell and all the other performative BS they enjoy without being expected to actually govern.
I see that the kraken has kracked. I wonder how the traitor formerly known as ‘America’s mayor’ feels about that.
And now the second of trump’s attorneys who were advising him on the best ways to overthrow the government has pleaded guilty in the Georgia elections case. This one to a felony. Two down, two to go.
Finally.
The news I'm getting says they are taking a lenient sentence or order to flip on Trump. That should be interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
That makes sense. It probably also will help with convincing the lower level folks that participated in the conspiracy, such as the fake electors who’ve been indicted, to realize that holding out for a trial where conviction is a strong possibility is probably not in their best interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
And now we learn that the leader of the republican party shared top military secrets with an Australian man who has spent a ton of money on trump's businesses (he only became a member at Mra A Lago after trump became president) but has since spent literally millions of dollars at Mar a Lago and elsewhere) and that that man then shared those secrets with dozens of others.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/22/u...smid=url-share
It would have been so awesome, from a literary standpoint, if Chesbro had been the last of trump’s loser attorneys to plea because ‘the Ches stands alone’ has a nice ring. Much better than ‘the runny hair dye guy stands alone’. But to paraphrase some other Republican asshole ‘you don’t get to mock the people who failed to destroy the country with the literary references you want, you have to mock them with the stupidity they decide to share with you.’
I wish Giuliani the best of health in prison so he can spend a long time there. And a supplier of alcohol so he doesn’t have to go through the DT’s.
And now I see that when republicans call a press conference they will boo rather than answer difficult questions. Such sad, thin skinned losers. All of them. Maybe if they don't want to face difficult questions about trying to overthrow the government they should, um, not try to overthrow the government.
Maybe it's because the question included the description of Johnson as an election denier for doing the same thing Jeffries and countless other Democrats did after the 2016 election. The double standard is annoying enough coming from partisans but doubly so when the supposedly non-partisan media does it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Countless other democrats voted to not certify the 2016 election? I guess I don’t remember that. Probably because it didn’t ****ing happen.
https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...ntial-electio/Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
From Alan's source info:
So even Alan's article agrees that the circumstances and the potential outcome in the 2020 certification were entirely different. While in all instances, it seems those in Congress had the legal ability to challenge/not certify, for the Democrats, it was a protest that they knew was going nowhere, as the Democratic contenders had all acknowledged their loss (due to the electoral college only - they DID win the popular vote, unlike Trump). Those who voted to not certify, after Jan 6th, knew that what they were doing was perpetrating a fraud, and was an attempt to subvert our democracy and electoral process. And "countless" d(D)emocrats? that really seems a stretch.Quote:
Some Democrats filed objections in 2001, 2005, and in 2017, following elections that Republicans won. But the circumstances were different from those in 2021. In the earlier years, the losing candidate had already conceded. After the 2020 election, Trump was trying to overturn the election, and he had met with some House Republicans to further that goal. In the previous years, not even the losing candidates were seeking to overturn the results. The objections were more symbolic than the 2021 effort to block the election results. In 2021, the objections could have overturned the presidential election.
You have to dig a little deeper to get the full gist of this leg of the conversation. The incident mentioned in post #2220 where Johnson was labeled as an election denier had to do with an amicus brief he signed requesting judicial review of election results in 4 states following the 2020 election. The basis for the requested review was that those 4 states changed the voting rules without the approval of their state legislatures, which was a fact and a valid reason to request review in order to ensure election integrity.Quote:
Originally Posted by early morning
As for the claim that Democrats did not vote to object to certification of the election, which we know is demonstrably false and is the basis of my factcheck, whether or not the loser had conceded the race is irrelevant. The relevant issue is that those Republican objections to the 2020 election were disallowed by the President of the Senate (Mike Pence) just as the Democratic objections to the 2016 election were disallowed by the then President of the Senate (Joe Biden).
Unfortunately, since the latest election, everything less than tacit acceptance of reported results has been labeled as election denialism by the media and even "attempts to overthrow the government" by partisans. Of course, those descriptions will change the next time a Republican wins the Presidency.
And yet the entire republican party apparatus, including 3/4 of the republicans in the house who voted not to certify the election in 2020, were involved in the effort to overthrow the government. I'm sorry you lack the capacity to see the difference between that and waht happened in 2016. You can keep going Alan but literally no one outside the maga bubble buys the BS.
And even today the new traitor in charge of the house can't answer simple questions about the 2020 election. It doesn't give me much confidence that he will make any effort to uphold his constitutional duty come January 2025.
LOL, I wonder if the ability to debate using facts will die out completely with we boomers?Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Apparently it already has with diehard magas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
I saw two examples of that in the evening news. It seems that Trump is still running the GOP even out of office. No one wants to be on the receiving end of Trump's wrath regardless of transparency to the American public . I was at least entertained by his fine for violating his gag order for the second time. After his testimony the judge said Trump was not a credible witness, even under oath.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
I’ve attempted to share here a solid legal scholar’s opinions about what’s going on with trump legally. Alan has ignored those posts entirely. Iris lily has poo poo’d them because she doesn’t like Marcy’s attitude. All I can conclude from that is that they don’t actually give an eff about actually engaging. Not surprising since Alan has made it quite clear that he doesn’t think a Republican politician can ever do anything wrong and iris has made it clear that she’s not interested in details and finds them tiresome if they don’t fit her preconceived notion of the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
what? I don’t even remember commenting on anything to do with a Trump legal charge.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
If I don't respond to one of your posts regarding Trump's legal problems it's because I don't feel his issues reflect on myself or other Republicans I know, regardless of your attempts to fit us all into a MAGA box. Plus, I don't know who Marcy is or what her opinions may be, and frankly don't really care enough to search this incredibly long thread to see how you've presented them. Sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Please don't take it personally if I don't engage on your every post, although I'll gladly do so whenever I feel one may benefit from additional context or a differing opinion. Pinky Swear!
Reason number 5,452. The new speaker of the house doesn’t have bank accounts. As the party’s leader might say, “people are saying that Mike Johnson doesn’t have bank accounts because he’s got sugar daddies that pay all his bills, like we’ve learned that Clarence Thomas does.”
But more seriously (after all, no one actually expects republicans to be honest in their financial disclosures anymore) it will be interesting to see if he’s capable or interested in moving beyond his status as a loser back bencher who just likes to do pointless performative BS to please the maga base. The pointless first bill he got passed, that even his Republican colleagues in the senate will absolutely not support, is not encouraging. I put the odds that he’s incapable of keeping the government open in a few weeks at about 98%.
“If I happen to be president and I see somebody who’s doing well and beating me very badly, I say, ‘Go down and indict them.'
Donald Trump.
I've lost track Of Donald's legal battle and recently ran across a summary. It would be interesting to see a list of his inner circle who have been indited or convicted. That could be a long list. I have had short discussions with conservatives who say the judicial system is rigged against him.
"...facing charges in Washington, D.C., for his attempts to remain in power after losing the 2020 election; in Georgia for attempting to overturn the state’s 2020 election results; in New York for an alleged hush money scheme to keep an affair quiet; and in Florida for his retention and handling of classified materials after leaving the White House.
...the New York fraud case, where prosecutors are alleging decades of fraud by Trump and his businesses, that the former president by all accounts is taking especially personally. The case strikes at the heart of Trump’s reputation as a savvy deal-maker and wealthy businessman, which helped propel him into a successful run for the White House in 2016. "
republicans trying to cancel the people’s vote in OH and MI … regarding abortion…
trying to upend democracy IMO.
Looks like republicans will again try to shutdown the government by not voting to pay its obligations and making demands. Disgusting IMO. Can no longer understand how anyone can vote republican!!
My state and maybe a couple of others are in a legal battle to not allow his name on the primary ballot and possibly the nationals. I don't hold much hope, but maybe.
“We pledge to you that we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists, and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country, that lie and steal and cheat on elections,”
Donald J Trump, Hitler wannabe.
If that shitbag gets re-elected just wait for the extermination camps for democrats and Liz Cheney the only honorable Republican still alive.
Reason 5,453. The Ohio Republican legislature has decided that the concept of constitutional rights is meaningless now that the voters have amended the constitution in a way that the legislature does t approve.
Found the voter fraud. And yet again it's a republican who wanted her husband to win by "any means possible."
https://wapo.st/49KYSsb