wait— you mean there’s voter fraud? I didn’t think you were concerned about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
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wait— you mean there’s voter fraud? I didn’t think you were concerned about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
I’m very concerned about voter fraud. Since it seems to be shitty republicans doing all the frauding. Not that that’s a surprise. .Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
So much for the idea of republicans defending the first amendment. The second in line of succession to the presidency is one of those republicans that hate the first amendment.
“The ultimate goal of the enemy is silencing the Gospel," the Republican said in 2004 after Jewish parents sued a school for pushing Christianity on their kids.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mike-...b0998d699f5f0d
I'm so confused. For months now Republicans in the house have been pushing a story that Hunter Biden needs to be impeached. So they subpeonaed him to come testify before the House Oversight Committee. Yet when he agreed to do so James Comer got all bent out of shape that Hunter has the nerve to insist that the deposition be held publicly. Makes one wonder what it is that Comer is hiding. Perhaps that the Republicans have zero evidence that Hunter did anything to warrant impeachment and will end up looking even more like fools than they already do?
You're probably confused because Hunter Biden is not a public servant holding a position within the government and therefore cannot be impeached. As for his request that his congressional deposition in his father's impeachment inquiry be held in public, I'm not sure depositions are generally handled that way. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
I went over to the island where our county seat is this morning, through some very very thick fog. At one point I hid out in a small cove until I heard the ferry's horn, and could detect its wake, then snuck out and following in the wake of the ferry, until it finally popped out into the open about 8 miles later.
I was visiting the County Canvassing Board, which was having the election certification meeting this morning. It was fascinating to watch, and I was impressed with the care and diligence that they had applied to every single ballot. After they were done, they gave me a tour of the system/process they use for verification and auditing, and it was pretty darned solid.
Then they handed me my certificate, and I walked it across the street to the Courthouse and got sworn into office ASAP. Took our wee boat back, headed to the fire department district offices, and handed in my credentials and those of my just-elected co-conspirators. Called a special meeting for tomorrow to Make The Fire Department Great Again :-)
Go go democracy!
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I think correctly stated the GOP is on a fishing expedition with Hunter hoping they will uncover something on Joe, maybe influence peddling, or something like that. My understanding is that they've come up with a big goose egg of anything meaningful on Joe so far, but are still pressing the issue as part of their political theater. It doesn't seem like even their cohorts in the GOP are in favor of all of this. Maybe it gives Jim Jordan something to do and he does have a way of twisting the truth.
(Nice photo!)
Sure, that's exactly what they're looking for. The possibility of influence peddling by Joe is hard to prove because it's done through an intermediary, Hunter. It's interesting that the only American hostage yet to be released by Hamas is the great niece of an art patron who didn't buy overpriced art from Joe, but did from Hunter. Hmmm!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
I honestly hope that any wrongdoing will come to light. Hunter is a piece of work. I do wonder if the Humas could have been listening to Tucker Carlson, although that does seem a bit odd?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
I don't think Donald has a monopoly on shady politicians, he's just the worst that I/we know of. It makes sense to me to create a counter drama, true or not, to take the spotlight off of Donald.
Considering how often his father is mentioned by house republicans in relation to their questions about hunter biden forgive me for the confusion. It's those republicans that seem to think Hunter is a public official. Nonetheless, I doubt Hunter is going to appear before congress since Gym Jordan and others who actually are government officials have taught us that congressional subpeonas are optional. I hadn't realized that detail about subpeonas being optional until a few years ago, but I'm always eager to learn new things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
I suppose if you're interested in the details of a public official benefiting from the sale of political influence, you have to question the middleman doing the promoting and selling. I'd say that rather than his father being mentioned in relation to questions about Hunter, it's actually the other way around.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Weird that you say that since absolutely none of the republicans like comer have indicated that they have any evidence of joe biden committing wrongdoing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
But I still wonder why comer doesn’t want this to be public if he actually thinks Hunter did anything wrong. The only logical reason he wants a private deposition would be that he wants to be able to spin it to his benefit rather than have the truth come out. If he had proof of wrongdoing surely he’d be willing to let the public judge for themselves based on public questioning under oath as Hunter has offered.
Do you think that's why the Democrats insisted that Steve Bannon be subjected to the same closed door deposition before appearing publicly?Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
I guess for some people it’s really complicated to understand that bannon was one of hundreds of people involved in a major crime whereas that simply isn’t the case with Hunter. Everyone testifying publicly in a large investigation has a high likelihood of influencing the potential testimony of anyone coming later in the investigation.
But I give you props for your deflection andd whataboutism Alan. You are truly a star at that skill. But I’ll ask again. Why is Comer afraid to have hunter’s testimony in public? It’s not as if Comer is planning to also get testimony of the people who were involved in setting Hunter up such as Lev Parnas or Rudy Giuliani. Or even other presidential children who potentially benefitted from their daddy’s presidency, as one would expect if this were actually a legitimate investigation for legislative purposes.
But whatever. Hunter’s lawyer is smarter than comer and now comer looks like a stupid effing fool. The only people impressed with his efforts to smear Hunter and somehow find Joe Biden impeachable by association are people who have drunk gallons of red Republican koolaid.
Reminds me. Wasn't Bannon convicted of contempt for ignoring a subpoena. I suppose his lawyers have tied up his jail sentence in the courts and he's probably hoping Trump will pardon him some day along with a host of other political criminals.
That wasn't whataboutism JP, you seem to be implying that closed door depositions are uncommon when they obviously are not. I asked you earlier to correct me if I was wrong on that point and you haven't done so.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
I get it that you and the OP of this thread and perhaps a few others have a need to diminish, ridicule and generally hate on your political opposition but if you want to be considered credible, you need to focus on what's real rather than what's not.
I was wondering about the “impeach Hunter Biden “charge, but I was busy doing some thing else and couldn’t devote time to rereading what JP had said even tho it made me go “ huh?”Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
As for referencing investigation into Hunter Biden’s shenanigans, and how they relate to his father, and calling that
“a fishing expedition” well yeah. One can call it whatever one likes, but it is reasonable to investigate something to see if it really is a problem. How do you know if it’s a problem if you don’t establish facts about the issue at hand?
Isn't that sort of backwards, like you need a certain degree of evidence before you investigate someone on criminal charges. Otherwise, I might be under suspicion for masterminding a new world order of vegetarians.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I don’t know what the legal definitions are for these kinds of congressional inquiries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
I saw enough to think there’ssome thing there worth investigating. Perhaps you did not. Poe-taaa-toe vs Pot-tah-toe.
The liberal media I see is saying there is no evidence connecting Hunter to some sort of influence pedaling with Joe or other impeachable activity, although these days empty conspiracy theories abound. You say potato, I say fishing trip. Of course I'm a bit biased as I think anything Gym Jordan is behind is something worth investigating him over. He's in the "end justifies the means" crowd of election deniers. I guess we will see what happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
Pressed by CNN’s Jake Tapper on “The Lead” Thursday, Committee Chairman James Comer went as far as to say he believed that Joe Biden has been “compromised” because of his son’s business dealings even though nothing in the panel’s investigation has turned up evidence that the president has done anything wrong. Comer also dodged Tapper’s question when presented with the fact that he has failed to meet the bar that he had set for his investigation, as Comer has long said his probe is about the president specifically.
Considering how Comer lied about Devon Archer's testimony behind closed doors it's perfectly reasonable that Hunter would insist on public testimony. Again, since there isn't a risk here of Hunter tipping off another defendant about what he might say in testimony on the same matter as was the case with the various J6 people who were compelled to testify before congress (including Gym Jordan, who didn't bother showing up since to republicans congressional subpeonas are apparently optional) I ask what is Comer afraid of with public testimony other than being even more embarrassed than he already is (or at least should be but since republicans lack the capacity for shame I suppose he probably isn't emotionally intelligent enough to realize that he should be feeling shame at this time).
And I'm curious Iris, what exactly have you seen to make you suspicious about hunter's influence on his father. I'm also curious how any of this differs from the baby trumps who all notoriously benefited financially bigly from trump's time in the oval office. Weird that the house oversight committee has most decidedly chosen not to look into any of that corruption that we all actually saw.
What exactly: There was a phone call where Hunter with his business partners got his dad on the phone to chat. I’m not saying they chatted about the business. From what I recall, Hunter wanted to demonstrate how quickly he could access Joe Biden. Are you saying this didn’t happen?
As far as how it is all different from Trump chicanery, you can figure that out if it’s important to you, why would I know? Why would I care? Why do you think I care?
Are you saying it’s weird that Hunter can get his dad on the phone? No one has given any indication that his dad did anything inappropriate on that call.
Why do you not care that the trump babies made tens (hundreds?) of millions off the trump presidency?
yes, JP, I think it is “weird “ that Hunter gets his dad on the phone when he’s talking to his business partners. What is the point of that I wonder.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Well, my Mom attended my very first Board of Fire Commissioners meeting tonight, that I called yesterday after the ink wasn't quite dry on my election certification, where I was elected Chair, and then ran through a brutal agenda list in the two hours allotted, which normally would have taken the previous regime two months.
So I understand "take your parent to work day" :-)
Probably that he wants to show that he actually does know the president. But there is zero indication that the president is willing to do inappropriate things for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I'll continue to await your response regarding the trump babies. I won't hold my breath since it's clear that you and Alan don't give a flying eff about what they did during the fat turd's presidency, but nonetheless I'll continue to await your response. (It's also clear that neither of you give a flying eff about what that shitbag intends to do if he, god forbid, wins reelection, but whatever. You "savers of freedom" will be irrelevant soon enough.)
Oh the Trump kids and any other Trump shenanigans. Why do you think I’m OK with any of that? Seriously?
I truly cannot understand why you think Hunter would need to prove he. “knows “ Joe Biden. Do you honestly think his business partners haven’t vetted him as Joe Biden son?
because you completely don't express that you have a problem with it? Seriously? But whatever. Simultaneously pretend that you have a problem with that while also never EVER mentioning that you have a problem with it. And continue wondering why non MAGA people think you're a two faced idiot. At least you don't play the "I'm super dumb and clueless" routine that Alan does. I'll at least give you that.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I've not had any basic objection to Alan or IL expressing their opinions. Even when they are so obviously wrong in my eye, fact is that maybe a little less than half of the voters probably think the same things. It's interesting to see where these people come up with such things. Conservative voters probably fall into the definition of fewer welfare programs, less taxation, deregulations, and smaller governments with powers shifted to state and local levels. That's probably the GOP that we once knew. In some respects I could join in their ranks.
The GOP we once knew is gone. Even if you take away the MAGA core you are left with politicians with no respect for the constitution, as in the peaceful transfer of legitimate power. Little or no respect for the environment, science, or public health, and willing to gain power by subscribing and encouraging gross misrepresentations of the truth through the amplification of conspiracy theory. And then we get into things like racism, sexism, and the promotion of hatred and violence. And I'm not so sure they want to continue the separation of church and state. If you can really call a few as "good republicans" they are jumping the ship in disgust. Our regional representative Ken Buck has been in the news as a prime example. I saw where Mitt said he would vote for about any democrat over Trump. Liz Cheney. Even Christy has been calling the kettle black, but people don't seem to want to hear it. I suspect Alan and IL may be stuck in the tradition of the old GOP. Hanging on and under the illusion that it's still there.
Well, one of the moderators on the old site always enjoyed telling me that I wasn't bright enough to know my own self interest so you're not alone in questioning my intellect. At least now no one can send me to time out for causing you to be rude and condescending, so that's an improvement.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Out of curiosity, can you name one opinion I've expressed that's "wrong in your eye"? I'm asking because I generally stick with providing another outlook on something or sussing out context rather than offer opinions so I'm a little bit curious on where I went further than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
Okay,okay,okay,okayy---I can answer that. See---AL and Faux are not Conservative enough to really count as REAL Republicans Nope. Consuming large cuts of meat and tanks of motor fuel don't make you conservative, like mee No, not hardly. So, yeah--hiding g behind a platform with the corresponding label is fake. Hope that helps you kids some. Thankk me.
You are funny. If I carried that same logic to you, I could say “ because you completely don’t express that you have a problem with beheading Jewish babies” you must be ok with it because you “never EVER mention that you have a problem with it.”Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
But see, I do not make that argument because it is silly.
It would be nice if you would stop ascribing opinions to me that I do not have.
How far back is relevant and do I recall your a human cause climate change denier and and some opinions with charts indicating we could be coming into a global ice age? Maybe that's just my imagination? The labeling of the left as fascists as in post #200 of trans days, you general vies on abortion, more recently, post #148 under "a Palestinian State", post #131 under thwarts to intellectual freedom. That's about as far back as I cared to look and I probably missed some. My thinking is somewhat inline with JP! who has offered a number of rebuttals, but could practice on his polite discussion manners.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Thank you, I'll take a look at those later and consider how to discuss those issues without offending anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
You don't offend me. We just disagree on some things. I generally find your views entertaining or interesting, and fairly moderate compared to some folks I know from Iowa or Missouri and a few from around here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
I think it's good to hear why and what others think and occasionally drop by Breitbart News comments or listen to Hannity (as much as I can stand). Now there's some offense people!
Okay---If elected, I will solve the homeless problem, by sending them to Ellesmere Island, to c o ntinue their lifestyle. Since global warming is taking place, it might stay above zero and the man-eating polar bears may flee. Yup.
I always thought the “silence is complicity” formulation was silly. Sort of like the “words are violence” thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
Who the **** is suggesting that anyone should be beheading Jewish babies? Talk about presenting a damn strawman to try and make a point.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
A lot of people who witnessed (or have since learned about it if they weren't alive yet) what happened in Germany during the 30s/40s would probably disagree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
And for the record, even though it's not a thing, at least as far as I know since we've never discussed it here and I've not seen a news article about it, I'm absolutely against the idea of beheading Jewish babies. I want to make that clear just in case it is actually a thing, now that you've brought it up. There. Now that we've gotten that out of the way will you unequivocally state that you do not think trump is at all suitable to be reelected to the presidency given what we know about his past presidency, his attempt to overthrow the government, and his terrify statements about what a second trump administration would look like? Or are you going to remain silent like so many Germans back in the 30s/40s? And then whine and complain that I'm ascribing opinions to you that you don't hold.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies