According to the independent, nonbiased Cochrane report, masks don't work. That's why if you have something that dangerous/contagious like Ebola you put on a full hazmat suit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
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According to the independent, nonbiased Cochrane report, masks don't work. That's why if you have something that dangerous/contagious like Ebola you put on a full hazmat suit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
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Originally Posted by Yppej
While the Cochrane review found that the evidence from randomized controlled trials is uncertain, this does not mean that masks do not work to slow the spread of COVID-19. Other types of evidence, such as observational studies and mechanistic evidence, also support the use of masks.
What the Cochrane Review Says About Masks For COVID-19 - and What It Doesn’t - FactCheck.org
Actually, as a member of our regional infectious disease response team, which is tasked with monitoring and transporting Ebola patients, among other dreadful things, I can tell you we don't "put on a full hazmat suit".Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
And as a certified HAZMAT operator, I can also tell you the HAZMAT gear is considerably different than the more surgical-type gear that is typically worn for infectious disease control work.
Where did you receive your training, what certifications do you hold, and what field experience have you had?
Grasping at straws. I know. It's hard to admit you were wrong. "Mechanistic evidence" is those stationary dummies that have particles shot at them through a machine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
I'm pretty much on board with everything fact check said with absolutely no qualms.
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Originally Posted by Yppej
Maybe if the people working at those places had gone to youtube university they'd be smarter...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
In the early days of the COVID-19 panic, these two drugs were actually used in hospitals. Did you know that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7556338/
You don’t have to look far to find articles in PubMed about their use, actual use by medical doctors in clinical settings not fringe practitioners operating out of the back of their vans. They were legitimately tried as COVID-19 protocols.
Also, there were lots of funded research projects considering the two drugs Hydrooxychorichine and chloroquine .Look at Pubmed for them. Someone thought they were worth investigating and putting research dollars into.
Indeed.Quote:
But as you say, it's interesting that people only remember those things that support their political or cultural leanings, case in point.
Am I saying that many, any, some hospitals used H & C for treating COVID-19 after the early days? No.
Am I saying the article I linked shared success with these two drugs? No
Am I saying anyone SHOULD use these two drugs to treat COVID-19? No
What I see in your statement is a kind of smug satisfaction that you know the true science. I don’t think you did then and like the rest of us, Have hindsight knowledge now. Even Anthony Fauci has hindsight knowledge now even though at the time if we questioned Fauci, we were questioning the science. According to Fauci, anyway.
I’ve said it many times, and I’ll say it again: the high priests of science are not the science. Like the science, the priests should be looked upon with skepticism. The science itself doesn’t mind being questioned, but the priests do mind being questioned.
About masking, I grow weary of mask rigidity.
I think some masks sometimes reduce some transmissions among some populations in some situations. There’s a lot of qualifiers there! I see people get hysterical about masking and that is just silly to me.
I prefer to stay away from big crowds. I haven’t been on a plane since Covid and I don’t care how well the airlines claim to process their air in their big metal tubes, I don’t really believe the air is all that pristine and besides there’s all kinds of bugs we can catch besides COVID-19. Think about we got sick from being on an airplane before we even heard of COVID-19.
Timing is everything. By the time trump was touting those drugs (and also recommending squirting bleach and shoving lightbulbs up one's ass) did anyone who actually studies drug effectiveness still think they might work?Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I used to get colds several times a year. I've literally had only one in the past four years. Unlike you, though, I've been on planes multiple times since April of 2021 when I first got vaccinated. Only one cold. This is definitely anecdote, but I've worn a KN95 mask every time I've been on a plane or on transit these past three years. The coincidence that I've also not gotten sick during that time is hard for me to ignore.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies