Well, as Catholic and a Chesterton fan, what do you think of distributism?Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
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Well, as Catholic and a Chesterton fan, what do you think of distributism?Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
Similar in well-meaning impracticality.Quote:
Originally Posted by catherine
What does the quest for national simplicity look like as it directly relates to climate change?
That's what I think the ordinary person not paying attention to climate changers doesn't understand. The average citizen has tuned out the rhetoric as part of the traffic noise of everyday living but there's a lot riding on many assumptions made by science and scientific theory. As has been dogmatically stated both in this forum and in newspapers and media outlets all across the globe.....climate change is not theory....it is fact.
And so the fact finders are on a quest to prosecute their war on affluence, abundance, consumerism, industrialization, over population, development and economic growth. That war will be prosecuted at the nation level as has been made clear by the recent meetings in Paris.
Leaders are being sent home to "encourage" their populations to change their habits and get in line. Reports back to follow. Punishment for violators. The legal foundation for this punishment will not exist if the rules of the game are not developed and published by the representative government. Which they are not because a presentation to Congress or each countries representative arm of their government would both take too long and face failure. So all this is by passed in the name of saving the planet.
But what time of life would climate changers like to see that would achieve a 2 degree limit to global warming?
A list next..........
To save the planet, this is your life:
1. Communities based on local resources.
2. No internal combustion engine vehicles......everyone works locally and walks or bicycles to work. Only specific products that require large factories would be permitted to be shipped by truck.
3. Shipping of goods by sailboats on seas and a system of canals and waterways.
4. Repurposing of interstate highways and roadways to permaculture.
5. No vacationing to far away places. Little air traffic.
6. A diet based on plant life only. No meat eating.
7. Volunteer activities....more communal living
8. Living without air conditioning and refrigeration
9. Houses refitted with renewable energy sources
Many "experts" in the climate science field say without going all in the planet can't be saved. So how do you get the whole world to adopt this voluntary simplicity?
Force. Financial and physical force.
So am I supposed to be scared of that? Is it really any worse than catastrophic warming? Is it supposed to be? Well, I don't think it is. How about that. And the world that exists after catastrophic warming will have plenty of violence and force too. Now maybe you think it will be some peaceful paradise but odds are against that.Quote:
To save the planet, this is your life:
1. Communities based on local resources.
2. No internal combustion engine vehicles......everyone works locally and walks or bicycles to work. Only specific products that require large factories would be permitted to be shipped by truck.
3. Shipping of goods by sailboats on seas and a system of canals and waterways.
4. Repurposing of interstate highways and roadways to permaculture.
5. No vacationing to far away places. Little air traffic.
6. A diet based on plant life only. No meat eating.
7. Volunteer activities....more communal living
8. Living without air conditioning and refrigeration
9. Houses refitted with renewable energy sources
Many "experts" in the climate science field say without going all in the planet can't be saved. So how do you get the whole world to adopt this voluntary simplicity?
Force. Financial and physical force.
Maybe there's no solution (but what logically follows from that is probably not having kids or at least not encouraging your kids have kids if you already have - because they will inherit the type of planet where the living envy the dead). But the unforgivable part is not even trying to grapple with the problem at all (in other words the behavior of our politicians). It is better to go down raging against the dying of the light it is, then to go down without a whimper.
I'm OK with most of those, and it's how I try to live now, mostly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Williamsmith
Seems like a reasonable start of a list to me, although I'd like to use the house refitted renewable energy to run my refrigerator and charge the fuel cells on my auto like transportation when I'm not using the same energy efficient mass transportation system that ships regionally produced goods to the end user. I assume we're giving ourselves a little time to develop new technology.Quote:
Originally Posted by Williamsmith
http://www.sciencealert.com/german-h...fusion-machineQuote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
Is it acceptable to use financial and physical force to require everyone live this life? Should we have coerced simplicity or voluntary?
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Originally Posted by Williamsmith
While I personally feel that many of us on this forum would embrace these changes, I can't foresee that we would be forced to adopt them. We might simply be shown other choices by entrepreneurs who see a great opportunity. Our transportation will likely be just as accessible, but "green"; maybe meat-eating will not be proscribed, but merely based on what is local and humane; living without air conditioning--I did that when I was too cheap to replace our broken central air system.. yes, it took a while to get used to, but we changed to accommodate that reality and it was really nice to have the windows open all summer and hear the birds.
How do you get the whole world to adopt voluntary simplicity? By promoting the higher order end benefits of it, just like advertisers of old-school products have been doing since the turn of the 20th century.
ETA: Re little air traffic.. hopefully I'll have my million miles by then :)
My guilty pleasure: flying.