I think we'll find ways to cope. Effective treatments, social distancing, masks in crowds, etc. If enough people participate, the infection rate will go down. That's the way it worked for HIV, after all.
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I think we'll find ways to cope. Effective treatments, social distancing, masks in crowds, etc. If enough people participate, the infection rate will go down. That's the way it worked for HIV, after all.
People have been wearing condoms for 40 years, getting regular STD testing, and discussing sexual health history with their partners so that informed consent can happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Well, the responsible people.
It seems to me if the issue is just protecting others, there will be at home tests eventually, but public places may still require masks, but maybe not visiting someone, depending.
Now there are reports of people getting infected through their eyes. Face shields next? Followed by hazmat suits for everyone? The part of the body that sweats the most is the feet. Maybe just to be safe we should outlaw sandals this summer. If it saves just one life, it's worth it, right?
I don't think you understand the mask thing, or perhaps you do, and are being deliberately difficult.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Bae, here is the story on infection through the eyes. I saw the story on TV. It is being reported in numerous news outlets.
https://nypost.com/2020/05/14/infect...ough-his-eyes/
I am aware that you can be infected through the eyes. (We've known this for months.) As I mentioned, I am trained and equipped to handle Ebola.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
However, COVID-19 doesn't seem to spread *from* the eyes in casual social settings.
The point of the mask is to serve as a damper on spread, not by protecting the wearer from other people so much, but by protecting other people from the mask wearer.
There is no need to wear a HAZMAT suit to protect others from you, according to the best available science at this moment.
So, take your hyperbole and put it in your salad spinner :-)
How do you define casual social settings? To include or exclude airplanes?
I presume you are saying "Omg, this guy got it through the eyes on an airplane".Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Did you read my actual words above?
Is there evidence he was infected *from someone else's eyes* on that trip?
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
So I take it Bae that you are only interested in protecting other people not yourself. So long as you don't infect others it doesn't matter if you are protected. No need for a face shield to protect yourself from infection through your eyes. We are all just to be altruists with no self-regard.
My perspective. I figured out I was gay when I was about 15 years old, in 1982. At the same time AIDS was being reported as a thing that was known to kill gay men, seemingly at random. Not wanting to end up dead I waited before becoming sexually active. And waited. And waited. And waited. Finally, when I was in my mid-20s I accepted what was then becoming widely accepted advice that condoms weren't perfect but were very helpful in reducing the transmission of HIV and started dating but insisting on "safe sex" with everyone. If I have to wear masks and never, or at least very rarely, go to bars and restaurants for years to keep from getting covid I will.* Because I REALLY don't want to get infected with this. It took years for scientists and doctors to get a handle on HIV. It will potentially take years with Covid. For all we know Covid may turn out to be as deadly, long-term, as HIV. I'd rather not be one of the people who learns that the hard way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
*Unfortunately, unlike with HIV and condoms, I can't insist that everyone who comes near me wear a mask. I can only hope that people will feel some sort of societal duty to not put others at risk. But I won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen. Instead I guess I'll just have to hold my breath whenever I'm around someone that shows me through their actions that they are unconcerned with other people's health and safety.
Why would anyone be surprised that Covid can infect a person via their eyes. Eyes are one of the mucous membranes, like the nose and mouth, that have been mentioned for some time now as a path for the virus to enter one's body. All this is is yet another reason that potentially infected people, which is to say ALL OF US, need to wear a damn mask to reduce the amount of potentially infected droplets being spewed out out of our mouths and noses into the air being shared by ourselves and other people.
Yppej, pleeeease give it a break!!!! Each person is trying to cope with the stress of the pandemic. Don't add more here as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
I do wonder if wearing sunglasses or googles or something, as well as a mask, helps.
OK, I am adjusting settings now. You are deliberately misreading my words, and you know it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
I wear full PPE when seeing patients. I've mentioned this. I don't wear full PPE when out bicycling to the top of the mountain here. I wear CDC recommended PPE when called for, where called for.
Because, well, I science.
Depends on what you are exposing yourself to, and how. I wear eye protection when in concentrated spaces, because I don't trust that some half-wit without a mask won't cough on me.Quote:
Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore
Some people have years and years of training and experience with this stuff. Apparently we are The Bad Guy to some.
I wish those people well in their foolishness.
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Yppej, pleeeease give it a break!!!! Each person is trying to cope with the stress of the pandemic. Don't add more here as well.
Indeed. Different precautions make sense for different scenarios. I have a hospice nurse friend who has had several covid clients. She learned with the first one that when using her phone to give them FaceTime goodbye time with their family that she needs to hold it far enough away that the client can’t grab it and ‘kiss her family’.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Luckily you can reasonably decontaminate many modern smartphones :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Bae, I appreciate all that you and many on the front lines do.
Yes. And that’s exactly what she did. But she didnt want to have to make that effort, or take the time, a second time.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Misquoted... should say borrowing and giving..??? See news articles whereby US keeps "borrowing" and then giving financial aid to other countries.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
The idea that people only wear PPE to protect others defies common sense. For instance, medical personnel obviously wear it to protect themselves, so they can remain healthy, continue to treat patients, and because they might want to live and be healthy, and if they have families not leave them grieving.
Bae: "So, take your hyperbole and put it in your salad spinner," has to be one of my favorite lines ever!
Thanks for the https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202004.0203/v1 link. Very interesting reading, and it certainly gives me enough info to feel confident that mask wearing is the right thing to do. I do not understand the political polarization around masks. All the medical or scientific info I see recommends masks. I'm not seeing anything from those who are anti-mask to make me think otherwise. Yes, they are somewhat unpleasant and uncomfortable, but life kind of sucks like that sometimes. I don't think anyone is trying to make the case that masks are delightful, just that the good they do is worth the tradeoff in temporary discomfort.
There’s a difference between PPE that medical personnel and first responders wear and cloth face masks that regular people wear. But you know that and find pleasure in trolling us because of your hatred of wearing a mask.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
It's okay for medical personnel to protect themselves by covering their faces, but not non-medical personnel. Got it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
I posted this on another thread, but I think it's worth another post:
Speaking of masks, a company local to Portland (for decades) offers both DIY instructions and pre-made masks for sale:
https://starks.com/vacuum-bag-surgical-masks/
I have no interest in this other than having bought a Kirby from them back in the seventies...I am ordering one of their masks, and I have vacuum filters specially to make masks, in case I ever get the urge.
COVID-19 and introverts report:Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Two days ago I went to the iris garden of my friends. They have 700 iris cultivars. We walked around outside and kept our distance but had spirited conversations about Iris.
This infusion of human contact got me so jazzed up, I could not get to sleep until 3 o’clock in the morning.
I don’t know if this is a good thing or a bad thing, I’m still pondering it.
Are you an extrovert or an introvert? I think of you as an extrovert but I could be wrong. Maybe your response to the visit was just joy over injecting yourself back into a life you love.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I find I'm doing a lot more commenting on FB posts, which is strange for me. I really think I'm seeking a substitute for conversation, and I definitely am an introvert. One good thing is I have a great outlet for conversation with my son, who is a huge extrovert and talker. Previous to COVID, when he would call, I'd have to chalk off an hour at least, but now that he's living with us, I get a lot of opportunity for conversation, and my husband, the extrovert, gets annoyed and calls us Chatty Cathy and Chatty C___ and escapes to his workshop. His type of desired interaction is to be with groups of people he can regale. Serious conversation one-on-one, not so much.
It's interesting to observe our individual reactions to being isolated and how our social needs are being met (or not).
No I am definitely an introvert. I’m just a loudmouth on the Internet.
haha!!! Thank God for the internet, where we introverts can mouth off!!Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
We are starting to get together outside with 2 other couples all keeping our distance. It’s been a welcome relief. With my husband going back to work next week no reason for me to be totally isolated anymore. I plan to stay out of stores for the most part.
Met the new neighbor today while I was mowing the rental property. No masks on anybody; we didn't figure we'd run into anyone. She stuck out her hand to say hello and, about mid-shake, both of us figured out we were not social distancing. Old habits die hard. We chatted for a couple of minutes and then she went back to moving in and I quietly went back to my place to wash my hands before I resumed mowing the lawn.
This is the third residence move among people I know (well, now that I've met her, I guess) and it has not gotten less odd any time.
I guess all the biological parents in this world for the past four decades are irresponsible, because in order to have a child they weren't using a condom.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Someone seems to be missing Ultralight.:laff:
haha, yeah, maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToomuchStuff
Come now....Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
I am trying again to understand: keyless car ignition starters.
Why are they better again? What distinct advantage does this have over a key?
One less thing for a person to carry?? I don't get it either. Imagine if something went wrong with the various keyless features. I can only imagine how much it would cost to repair.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
When your hands are full you don't have to dig into your pocket to get a key to open the door. You can permanently leave your key in your purse and not have to dig it out each and every time. When its dark and you are in a sketchy area, you can get into your car quicker rather than fumble with your purse. Just a few advantages. I wou;dn't have paid extra for keyless, but I enjoy the ease.Quote:
What distinct advantage does this have over a key?
Except you have to remember where the key actually is. I went with my husband just after I got this car to pick up a nephew at the airport. I like to meet family at security so husband dropped me off and went to remote park until we called him. Except he turned the car off while he was waiting and I still had the key with me in my purse at the airport. Ooops.