I don't understand why people support this man:
Watch: Donald Trump rants about Joe Biden and Kamala Harris from golf cart (telegraph.co.uk)
Printable View
I don't understand why people support this man:
Watch: Donald Trump rants about Joe Biden and Kamala Harris from golf cart (telegraph.co.uk)
I am going to speculate that Trump will chicken out on a Harris debate if proposed and will make a phony excuse.
Why’s that? She’s not particularly well known for her rhetorical skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
I recall her being pretty strong in the 2020 primary debates. We really haven't seen her exercise rhetorical skills throughout her vice-presidency, but so far, I think she has started out strong at least in her campaign speeches.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
I expect her to be at least OK in a debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by catherine
Here's an interesting clip, given the circumstances today. And you can clearly see that Joe was so much more with it then.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6-UC8yr0Aw
I was thinking about her experience as a prosecutor versus a convicted felon charged with other crimes. I don't think she is an especially good communicator, but she projects a strong image and I don't think she would let Donald get away with his fabrications without a good rebuke. And there is a big opportunity to turn the age card back to Donald's mental health. I also wonder how Donald would do one on one with strong female figures. I would like to see it, but I think Donald is just going to rest on his strong support and not risk things.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
As far as rhetorical skills go, Trump does not rate very high in my book and it would be no match, but his manner of going of the rails and being bombastic probably appeals to some.
I was so inspired when she said “it is time to do what we have been doing, and that time is every day”.
It looks as though he has said he would be willing to debate. So my suspicion was wrong.
I see where he once said he would debate Harris, but he's now backpedaling. Best I can figure, he says they may change candidates again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
I read that as the Republicans might change candidates and for a hot sec thought oh, they should change to Nikki Haley!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
I don't think Trump ever agreed to debate Harris, as far as I can tell he agreed to debate Biden twice but then Biden dropped out after the first one and the Democrats haven't yet officially declared Harris as their nominee. Once they do I'm sure Trump will jump at the chance to debate her given her poor performance during the last election cycle's debates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
I guess time will tell though.
I did a quick search today and there are mixed reports depending on the source, so we'll have to see. Apparently Buttigieg has been mocking him for not agreeing to a debate and I suspect it's just the start until he agrees. Harris hasn't impressed me with her communication skills, so it could be interesting.
It sounds like the latest is that Trump has backed out of the ABC debate, but proposed a debate on Fox with similar rules, but with a live audience. Of course Kamala says he's running scared, just playing games, and looking to Fox news to bail him out. Donald says he's not quite ready to accept Harris as the Democrats new candidate.
As popular as the first debate was and as new as Harris is to the spotlight it would be good if people had a chance to see them on stage together.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/03/u...-fox-news.html
I'd LOVE to see Kamala Harris debate DJT. Seriously, all she'd have to say is something like "Mr Trump I used to make my living people people like you behind bars" or some variant thereof. What could he possibly say to that that would work for him? She's got some potent ammo against Mr. Orange. Could swear I read online today that DJT agreed to a September 4th debate with Harris? Fireworks are coming and this is a tinder dry (not such a great monsoon this year for much of Arizona) newly battleground state, so important out of nowhere that's supposedly it needs to be won in order to get into the White House? (please don't ask me to expalain the math on that one). Rob
If a debate is held, it will provide little useful information about how either candidate would govern. Trump has always operated on unpredictable whims, and Harris has jettisoned so many positions in this New Coke phase of hers that it’s hard to believe what they say on any given evening would indicate what they would do in office. As one piece in “Reason” put it, it will be a campaign of total policy nihilism.
All we can reasonably expect are a lot of childish personal shots and appeals to the darker side of their respective bases.
I suppose if one thinks that trump’s promises to be a dictator on day one are meaningless then sure; it would be tough to understand the difference between the two candidates. Fortunately most voters aren’t that effing stupid.
I'd say that any debate involving Trump will have the overriding element of petty attacks, fact distortion, and name calling. It probably applies to both sides, but may go back to the old grade school "he started it" excuse. Inside of that there will probably be some discussion of the issues. For the general public, there is a lot to be said for optics and personality, which we already know about Trump, but less so for Harris. And there's always the chance one or the other will say something totally offensive or condemning for the media to pounce upon.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
Having witnessed how cosseted and caressed by an obsequious media the Harris campaign has been so far, I think it’s pretty easy to predict where most of the pouncing will occur. They seem to have learned nothing from their fumbling (deliberately or otherwise) of Biden’s mental decline.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
I see that she’s going with Tim Walz as her VP pick. That’s probably a good choice if she wants to shore up support on the far left of the party, who may be angered by her quiet abandonment of so many of the positions she took during her short-lived primary campaign. They may also see him as being appealing to some of the battleground states of the Upper Midwest.
When it comes down to policy I suspect it will be 75% Biden all over again without all the age and Bidenomics baggage. Trump will bean easy target for the media to pounce upon because he will probably say his usual things that aren't true and will drop a few racial or other bombs. Harris obviously to a lesser degree.
Waltz was probably a strategic pick to win over some of the close running battleground states, but you have to like a guy from Valentine, NE and a graduate of Chadron State. He looks like he could be an attack dog?
He's behind climate change initiatives rather than saying it's invented by kids in basements or the Chinese, which is my main issue.
It’s amazing that a high school teacher and longtime army national guard member whose big legislative achievements are paid family leave and food for school children is considered hard left.
I really liked both of those things, that he was a high school teacher and in the guard!
No snark in this, OK? Welcome to your citizenship. It truly is that bizarre. RobQuote:
Originally Posted by jp1
I was disappointed that Mark Kelly was not selected. He would have been great and Arizona could use some positive PR. But I will give this man a chance regardless. It's about staving off an Authoritarian Dictatorship that would make victims of us all. It's not about who Rob wants as VP. I understand this. Rob
DJT is running scared - Kamala Harris is a former prosecutor AND did not the Supreme Court rule yesterday that DJT is to be sentenced for his 34Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
Felonies BEFORE the election. Lethal ammo in the hands of Kamala Harris. I pray she makes full use of it. Rob
I heard an interview with Mark Kelly’s twin astronaut brother on NPR a few days ago. He’s a cool guy. Both of them are super achieversQuote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
I gather he taught for a year on the Pine Ridge Reservation and lived for a year in China. Not that that would make him a good VP and he's not an astronaut, but it might make him a good person.
Time is telling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
I was a little disappointed they didn't go with Kelly, but I understand them wanting strategically to keep him in the senate. I was not familiar with Walz, but I like everything I'm hearing about him so far.
Walz certainly appears to be a real deal Midwesterner and not one of those coastal elites. Used his GI bill to pay for college.Quote:
Originally Posted by rosarugosa
I read the BBC website for news daily. It was funny they had to keep saying he was an “American“ football coach. ;)
I read somewhere that he won't debate on ABC due to being involved in a lawsuit against the network and its lead political commentator. But, he has agreed to debate her on another network although I don't think she has agreed to do so. I would think that would take care of the "He's afraid to debate her" talk but there's probably too much propaganda value in maintaining the illusion of fear.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
At this point, I'm thinking there won't be any debates at all among presidential contenders since Trump's team wants him to stick to issues rather than personal attacks and Harris' new team want's to limit her to scripted public speaking whenever possible. We may have to settle for the #2 spots verbally slugging each other for our entertainment.
The NYT Daily podcast episode today has an in depth look at Walz.
Nothing amazing about it. I don’t think even Democrats would deny Walz is more Progressive than most. He dithered over his response to the 2020 riots so badly even he referred to it as an “abject failure”. He has the requisite hostility to school choice, and a Sanctuary State that provides health benefits and issues driver’s licenses to people here illegally. I think his left wing credentials are stronger than any governor except maybe Newsom, which is why he’s on the ticket.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
To his credit, he started the “weird” campaign against Trump/Vance. It’s a refreshing change from the tedious Nazi stuff.
JB Prickster, the IL gov, is very far left. However, he’s Jewish and a billionaire, so he doesn’t have the relateableness thay Walz has.
Jewish candidates are a problem for the Dems right now.
I am very pleased with Walz on the ticket. So pleased I may even buy this:
Attachment 6021
I know we're living in the age of identity politics on a grand scale but I've never put much stock in anyone's ability to determine a person's core beliefs based upon race, gender, religion, party identification or vocation. It's their statements and accomplishments that tell you who they really are, and Walz has proven himself to be far left, which seemingly compliments Harris' far left statements and accomplishments prior to about 2 weeks ago. They're both Bernie Sanders on steroids without the courage to append their party identification with the Socialist moniker.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Catherine, you surprise me. I never took you for a camo girl! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by catherine
Maybe if Walz had implemented UBi or single payor healthcare one could credibly claim him to be radical left. What he’s done only qualifies as radical left because republicans have pushed the Overton window hard to the right over the past several years.
And it’s weird that trump is now not willing to go on ABC but was fine with doing so before. Any person thinking rationally would have to consider that his new excuse is probably a lie because he’s a fraidy cat to debate the childless cat lady.
The really fun debate is going to be the VP debate.
I'm not sure what metric constitutes a moderate democrat vs. the far left, but in the bigger picture, Trump and now JD are lying about the 2020 election peaceful transition of power and Trump is still a criminal. It's all relative, but it's still interesting to speculate and discuss. I'm looking forward to the debate, also. Biden has sort of dropped off the radar.
I do like the hat. I see where Walz drives an old pre-1980 HI Scout and also has black lab named Scout. As a collectible, it might be more valuable that an Escalade, but I like the image.
Well you know, Since moving to VT, many of my friends are hunters and fishers. As a result, my style choices have evolved since my Ann Taylor days!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Seriously--this is a great marketing example of how a simple hat can be worth a thousand words.