Jp, I am guessing your nice weather is helping since you can do many things outside.
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Jp, I am guessing your nice weather is helping since you can do many things outside.
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Originally Posted by jp1
Interesting on the perception of cold. Here in WI people are outside eating ice cream in 30 degree weather. Noticed places put up ice shanties outside their businesses in hopes people will eat there when it is cold. It is 36 and windy now and saw one occupied. You couldn't pay me to eat in a confined space like that. Also wonder about how to sterilize the place???
I'm not sure why Nancy Pelosi's stylist is such a big deal when surely all the blondes in the White House aren't dyeing their own hair.
I guess she could have had it colored by someone in her bubble... And how do we know she wasn't wearing a mask, anyway?
I just read an article confirming what most of us have assumed for a long time--that masks (assuming they're well-designed) protect the wearer as well as those around them. It's just common sense, but it's nice to have science to back it up.
I'm not just focused on large indoor gatherings, I'm focused on all indoor gathering without masks, which includes restaurants/bars. Looking at the covid risk assessment map which shows the likelihood of there being at least one infected person in a gathering of various sizes the numbers are scary:
St Louis County:
In a group of 25 people there's a 55% chance that at least one person will have an active case.
In a group of 15 people there's a 38% chance that at least one person will have an active case
Cook county IL,
25 people, 65% chance
15 people 47% chance.
San Francisco
25 people 11% chance
15 people, 7% chance
Washoe County NV
25 people 57% chance
15 people 40% chance
King County WA (Seattle)
25 people, 22% chance
15 people, 14% chance
Greeley County KS (mom's hometown)
50% chance with a group of TENpeople.
In ND there are currently 8 counties where the risk of at least one current positive is over 75% for groups of just 10 people. Yet the governor of the state only just the other day finally implemented a mask requirement. Almost 1 in every 1000 residents of that state has died from covid. And they are only now implementing a mask requirement?
Any of those, even San Francisco's or Seattle's numbers, seem like really bad odds if one is considering eating indoors at a restaurant.
https://covid19risk.biosci.gatech.edu/
She was caught on video.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
Not a good look, Nancy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
She claimed she was set up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Giving her the benefit of the doubt, the salon employee may have told her we can have one customer at a time.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
But why no mask? And why not verify the information? I remember in the scruffy spring days ordinary folks all knew what you could and couldn't get whether cut, color, blow dry, beard trim, etc. Of course we have to know, because the rules apply to us.
I agree. At the time outdoor stylist work was allowed. Nancy should have done that. Then the news would have been good.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
'Not a good look' seems rather tame coming from you. I've become accustomed to your rants about asshole Republicans putting others at risk in similar situations because they're asshole Republicans. I'm now confused, wondering if you've become more sympathetic or maybe if Kevin McCarthy did something similar you'd return to vintage jp1 form. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
I was rethinking my stance on Speaker Pelosi's mask wearing, or lack thereof, and since I haven't seen the video, I'll clarify. If she was within six feet of others, she should have worn a mask. If she was just walking from her car or on the sidewalk not near other pedestrians, IMO, she doesn't need a mask. Distance matters. She certainly should have worn one in the salon.
Before I read more closely, I thought you were quoting me. "Asshole Republicans" may have crossed my mind, but not my keyboard. :~)
The Chicago mayor got a haircut during the lockdown in the spring. Photos were posted of her and the stylist right next to each other, no masks. Lightfoot said she’s in the public a lot and needed the cut as a result. She got roasted locally for it.
https://ktrh.iheart.com/featured/mic...ring-lockdown/
The video was from the salon's interior cameras and as I recall she wasn't wearing her mask as she moved from a hair washing station to the stylist chair, well within the recommended 6' buffer zone from the stylist.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
Personally I'd agree with you and jp1 that it wasn't a good look but can't resist a friendly chop busting opportunity when it's presented. :cool:
I was astonished when I found out the 86 year old senior lady I've been grocery shopping for since April has gone to Costco several times over the past month - all because her 94 year old neighbor (who went with her!) wanted a certain type of toilet paper.
Costco is about the worst place you could go. I'm sure it was probably less crowded during the weekday when they went, but still. I told her if they had wanted bigger packages of TP than could be gotten at the regular grocery store, I would have gladly gone to Target or Walmart for them.
I just want to say God bless you, Tradd, for shopping for them. They sound like my parents--what they do does not make sense sometimes.
The 86 year old has been a widow for nearly 20 years. Her daughter and son in law recently moved back to IL and are closer than they were, but still 45 min away. I’m only 20 min away. She’s a good friend and we shared a music stand in choir for 13 years before covid hit. Yeah, definitely doesn’t make sense. She’s been to the doctor and dentist, once to the PO, and to the grocery store pharmacy to get her flu shot. She also voted in person. I at least talked her into going about 10 am as few people would be there, which was the case. She wears masks all the time at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tybee
I do my shopping when I do hers so aside from 40 minutes of driving, not a big deal. And I happen to like to drive.
We found out 87 year old mom takes the complex bus to Walmart. ARGGGG. Costco is far safer. They have much more room to distance, everyone is checked for a mask, plexiglass at checkout, etc. They have even continued senior hours at our locations.
The bus doesn’t seem like a good idea to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by sweetana3
I am guessing complex bus means riding with people she is living with. Try to talk her into going to Costco instead.
Watching the news today I saw I will be in the last group of people eligible for the vaccine. I am a frontline worker but not frontline enough (medicine, food and education are the favored sectors), not old enough, not young enough, and not sick enough to be prioritized.
I am okay with this.
ugh, be well jep!Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
I think I would prefer to be away from humankind until everyone else is vaccinated. I don’t mind going to the end of the line.
I think I will hold off on vaccinations until I've received satisfactory evidence of the safety and effectiveness from organizations other than the CDC/FDA at this point.
Bae, do you think as a first responder, you might be required to get a vaccine? How will you know when you feel it is safe to do so?
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Bae, which organizations would carry weight with you?
Some hypothesize the flu mist (flu vaccine) *might* provide some covid protection. I'm considering it. Problem is it won't help many of the more vulnerable as it's not recommended over 50 and the flu shot doesn't (it just protects against flu).
I've been sorting through what to do over the Holidays. I have been working through options that would be safe for meeting with relatives and friends that would be mostly outdoor dining and limited indoor contact with mask and no more than four people. I'm still working on how that would work, considering it's winter. I ran across an interesting proposal. A friend has a large lot with a fire pit and has offered an all outdoor celebration with bring your own food and beverage and social distancing and maybe mask. Four people and one of the group is immune compromised.
The rub is that the hosts recently acquired a rescue dog which they love dearly and they've mentioned it would be nice if friends could meet Fido. I am starting to picture dog going around to the group for petting and hand licking, like dogs tend to do. The issue is whether this defeats the intentions of it all as the dog goes from one person to the next. The thought is that I may go only if they leash dog or keep it separate. Too cautious?
While it sounds really wonderful, if there are a lot of people showing up and it is cold, I envision everyone standing around the fire pit - no social distancing. I would also worry about those you mentioned as immune compromised. And, yes, I agree with your assessment about the dog.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
This is a tough one. Only you can decide how comfortable you will be with the risks as you know them for this situation. Good luck deciding!
IL gov got really pissy at a press conference when he was asked if HIS T’giving plans were going to change to be in line with the new restrictions for the state (don’t travel, stay home). Dude is a billionaire and has taken his private plan off to his family’s home in FL. He’s also gone off to his home in WI. Expects the rest of us to stay home when he won’t? Typical elite mindset.
He’s actually said he will be in Chicago for the holiday. Wife and kids in FL.
This is the same guy who had toilets ripped out of a mansion in Chicago so his property taxes would be reduced. He paid what he should have when it made the news. Typical Chicago politician.
An issue I have is that both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are mRNA vaccines that tell a cell's DNA to manufacture proteins that would stimulate the bodies immune response to Corona infections (my very basic understanding). There has never been an approved mRNA vaccine and it's made in a way totally different from other viral vaccines. The Pfizer vaccine trial period is what they are calling event defined, so that when they get to a certain number of infections, apparently 160 people, if the vaccinated group is being protected. I've not heard much about the longer safety of the vaccine or if there is a certain period when they can call it safe. I would like to learn more about the long term safety and any adverse effects, even if it is only theoretical at this time. The news focus has been more about effectiveness and less about safety although they are claiming the typical short term fever, fatigue, sore muscles, etc, but what about over time. The shingles vaccine pretty much put me out of action for several days. Although I wouldn't hesitate to get it again, but vaccines are not necessarily home free just based on effectiveness.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
I suppose more time will tell and I would not be in the first group of health care people who would get the vaccine, but I would like some other to go first and to collect more information. I think there are scores of other vaccine trials using more traditional manufacturing methods, so maybe there will be more choices when the time comes. If I had the choice to get an mRNA vaccine today, I would probably go for it, but am still apprehensive.
Having been in the pharmaceutical industry for 30 years, it's head-spinning to me how quickly these vaccines are getting approved. Yes, it's probably better than nothing, but I'm with bae. My comfort level is not quite there yet.
My conservative coworkers and customers were talking today about no one can make them take a vaccine (among other macho posturing topics including Trump really won, conservative judges will save us, there will be a war but we have the guns, we even have more guns than the US military). I anticipate a political divide on vaccination.
You watch my prediction will be correct that the government will try to force people to get vaccinated, refusing to lift restrictions and mask mandates until they do. First the government decided to commandeer our right to control one part of our bodies (faces), now it will move on to our arms (injection site).
FFS
The pressure is more likely to be: IF mandates are lifted and one HAS to go to places without anyone wearing masks say, then people will feel they have little choice but to chance it on the covid vaccine or on covid. And uh the vaccine is likely the lower risk, probably though we may not be as certain about their safety as we like … but if we get down to unavoidable risks then yea.
My father's cousin just died from covid. Relatives are not surprised as she was in her 70's and refused to curtail her traveling despite the pandemic.
I'm sorry to hear this. I wish no one had to get this news about a loved one. My condolences to you and your family.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
I'm sorry for the loss of your cousin, Jeppy.
So sorry to hear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
I'm not a fan of unnecessary or excessive immunizations, and from what I gather the COVID vaccines they've developed so far have limited effectiveness, but it's a start. The paranoia out there would be funny if it weren't so pervasive.
I'm sorry you work with such a band of nutters, Yppej, and I'm sorry for your elderly relative who apparently believed this was a hoax/no worse than the flu.