Herman Cain and Ben Carson went to non-distanced events without masks. One of them will tell you he almost died as a result. The other isn’t saying anything about it these days.
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Herman Cain and Ben Carson went to non-distanced events without masks. One of them will tell you he almost died as a result. The other isn’t saying anything about it these days.
Both of these men served their country honorably, and I am grateful for what they did. May Mr. Cain rest in peace, and may Dr. Carson go on to have a long and happy life.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Chris Christie admits he was foolish for going to the event and admitted he almost died. Powerful people have access to treatment and medication that we don’t and they get the best care.
People with the money and resources will always get the best care they can; in my opinion, national healthcare would hopefully give the rest of us a fighting chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
Sure fooled me when I was loading COVID patients onto transport the past week. Bet it was just the flu...Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
It's why I really don't get complaining about whether well known people are flouting the rules. They may well have access to healthcare you don't, certainly Trump and Chris Christie did. You will be told to go home and wait until you can't breathe before you can be admitted to the hospital (and that's assuming hospitals AREN'T overwhelmed locally)
And even if such well known people don't get better healthcare, do you think they are going to shed tears when you and the people you care about and ordinary people you may have contact with get sick because you didn't protect yourself (and others) because "the governor or the mayor or a celebrity was doing this or that". Yea, they don't care about you that much, you have to care about you. I mean if you try to protect yourself and still get sick that's just unfortunate, some people's circumstances make them likely to catch it, with this much spread it's hard to avoid, but no reason to want to get sick.
There are those setting good examples like Fauci not seeing family this thanksgiving, but politicians and so on that don't, well I'd vote them out but there has to be someone better challenging them not someone worse. It's not a litmus test.
Don't know if I ever said this before, but thank you for all you do, bae. You most certainly make a positive difference in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Hospitals in Wisconsin are nearing capacity for beds and staff equipped to treat COVID-19.
So, (as Aspirus Hospital in Wausau announced on 11/19/2020) some COVID-19 patients will be sent home "to keep our beds available for the sickest of the sick". The homecare patients will have telehealth care from the hospital, and it is presumed that care will be provided by patients' family members at home.
If only we could see a study that compares similar places with mask mandates and without them to see if the masks actually work. Then maybe we could stop having silly factless based arguments about them.
The CDC and the Kansas Department of Health and Environment analyzed trends in county-level cases before the mandate went into effect and two months afterward. Though rates were considerably higher in the 24 counties that required masks, over the two-month study period they brought the growth of cases under control and even reduced them. The counties that didn't require masks continued to see their cases increase.
On average, the counties that required masks saw a 6% reduction in cases (calculated as a seven-day rolling average of new daily cases per capita). In contrast, the counties that opted out saw a 100% increase.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...m_campaign=npr
Tried again to get my mother to let me pick up groceries for her and my dad. She refused. They are no longer going for senior hour because it is still dark that early with the days being shorter. Now she insists on going at 9 AM when I am at work because that is when the quick sale discounted produce comes out.
Buy her a mask and a face shield. Wearing both should offer protection. That's the best you can do.
I don't stress about my mom going to the grocery store anymore as realistically noone can stay at home 8 months, it's too hard, too cruel and unusual, it approaches solitary confinement. I didn't know we'd have 8 MONTHS of this stuff, that was inconceivable to me early on, and hey if we were one of the well run countries we wouldn't, but nope we do.
I just wish my mom would have pizza delivered rather than pick it up because everyone else on earth does even with NO covid, and she won't even in a time of covid. I wish she'd use the credit card instead of going in to pay for gas etc.. But I haven't won this battle, actually I never win any battle trying to influence almost anyone I know, like anyone cares what I think :)
I’m giving up on convincing anyone of anything related to covid. For a while I tried. Then I realized that most people know, and if they don’t, it’s not that hard to find out.
I can only take cate of myself. For the ones who ask, I make an effort. Otherwise I’ve bowed out. Both online and IRL.
Apathetic, I wish I had a suggestion for what to do. My dad was a hermit during his last years. But not being able to even go around the assisted living facility to chat with his friends (and outside to have a smoke from time to time) would have been tough for him. He died six years ago and sadly I am grateful about that given where we are now.
I don't remember if I have posted this here.....I am on the Pfizer trial in Phoenix. $465 in my savings account thus far and no side effects.....though it's 50/50 I'm getting the vaccine vs the placebo. I'm having hope for these vaccines. Rob
Wow Rob, that's great.
I had a zoom meeting with two old friends who have moved out of town and I've not "talked" with for some time. They didn't travel to see family over Thanksgiving because of Covid concerns, but planned to travel for Christmas. I wonder if that will be the case for a lot of people.
I was up in Madison, WI and SW Wisconsin (near Platteville) for the holiday weekend - cave diving class at a former mine.
Stayed in Middleton. Hotel was very empty. Didn’t eat at any restaurants. McD and Culver’s drive thru. Kwik Trip. Was inside at Madison dive shop but we all wore masks and sat far apart when we did classroom time. I did eat dinner while we were doing classroom time, but was 10ft away from the others.
At the mine we were out in the country. Kept our distance outside of the water.
Chatted with a friend my age. Her grandmother is still alive and going all over the place, she can't convince her to stay home.
My mother's latest is she has lived long enough and doesn't care if she dies.
The news has many stories about vaccines, but I am not hearing anything about once you are vaccinated with your second dose you don't need to wear a mask anymore, though that seems like common sense.
If we could trust people not to lie about having been vaccinated that might be the case. But since we have learned over the last nine months that there are a lot of Americans who have no problem with putting other people’s lives at risk it would never work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
It doesn’t make sense. If vaccinated you still can carry covid germs. Your body fights it off and you won’t know. But you could spread it. So until nearly everyone is vaccinated we should still mask.
Lots of the above is unknown for sure but that’s the best practice.
Masks for most 2021.
I know Yppej blocked me but I want the rest of you to know so you can protect yourselves and others.
Gosh, maybe you could look at the real recommendations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
How does this mask requirement for Kansas City MO make any sense? I thought maybe the newspaper got it wrong, but their reporting is correct for ST Louis city and St Louis County.
People in Kansas City are required to wear a mask inside their own home if more than one person is present. !!! Ummm, is ANYONE following that? I would think even the most stringent mask Nazi would find that over the top.
https://themissouritimes.com/where-a...d-in-missouri/
Kansas City
Kansas City Mayor Quinton Lucas announced a Safer at Home plan for his city on Nov. 16. Individuals are required to wear masks indoors when more than one person is present and outside whenever social distancing cannot occur.
I think if you drill down to the fine print of the KC order, you will find that the masks-indoors clause says:
“All Kansas Citians must wear a face covering or mask while indoors in any room, partition, or area where someone from another household is present.“
So it doesn’t appear that you need to wear a mask in your home to be in the same room with your spouse.
Doesn’t make as fun a headline though.
It only makes sense if the other person doesn’t live with you.
So it is basically the same as my thought when we moved. We had movers in our old apartment and later in the day our new house. We mostly tried to stay outside, but when we were inside with the movers we wore masks.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
This sounds like just another alarmest story like a particular friend of mine on facebook has repeatedly posted. All about how the government is "trying to control you". Yawn. If people would actually wear their f'ing masks as if they cared about other people then specific rules like this wouldn't need to be created. But as yppeg has shown repeatedly, some people have no interest in actually taking responsibility for the health and safety of others, so here we are. Yay freedumb.
Here's a scenario. Spouse #1 lives in Nevada and is retired, over 60 and thus higher risk. Spouse #2 works in California and stays there overnights, returning to Nevada periodically to visit Spouse #1. Should the spouses wear masks around each other at home to protect Spouse #1?
What if Spouse #1 engages in high risk activities with friends such as hosting indoor card games and going out to eat in restaurants? In that case does Spouse #1 still need to be protected from Spouse #2?
Practically speaking, I think it's unlikely for spouses in their own homes to mask up. In your example, I think the people will just need to assume a higher likelihood of getting Covid and exposing others to it, or change their lifestyles. It's a potentially dangerous game of odds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Ah, thank you for finding the sense of the order.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Number 1, it is irresponsible for spouse 1 to be engaging in high risk activities if spouse 2 is a high risk - maybe they need to examine their relationship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
I have a sibling with an extremely high risk spouse and there was a point where there was a possibility of positive covid, so they masked in the same house and also social distanced in the same house until it was confirmed both did not have covid. Again, the idea is to keep not only yourself safe, but also others.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Don't be foolish.
I have known some couples to do so, when one spouse had to travel for essential reasons. Typically they have in-home quarantined separately from their spouse, and used a mask when traversing common spaces and observed distancing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
Then again, my friends tend to be scientists, engineers, or medical professionals...
I see my boyfriend without a mask and we don't live in the same house. don't like it? too bad.
Y is talking about us. My husband worked in California outside for 3 weeks. I did eat at outside restaurants and play cards with 2 others inside for a few months this summer when cases were down with 2 retired friends. When numbers increased we all went into lockdown again. Considering that my friend that was dead in days of getting the virus totally isolated for 8 months except for a occasional grocery trip I am glad I had a little fun in case I die. His wife said that they didn’t even think about having groceries delivered but is now. My friend didn’t see his kids or grandchildren for that entire time. Obviously based on Y’s moral judgement he deserved to die for going to the grocery store.
I see my girlfriend without a mask as well, and we don't live in the same household. Heck, she even lives on a different islands.Quote:
Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore
However, we *have* joined our houses together as a virtual pod, and don't interact with other people in unsafe ways. So it is in essence as if we lived in one home, it's just that the hallway between our different parts of the house involves 10 miles of ocean to cross.
There is some discussion and guidance in the literature about constructing pods...
How did he get it do,you suppose? These tales are so harrowing of people who are careful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
I am always suspicious of people who say they only go to the grocery store. Have you been walking there for 9 months? Or did you go to the gas station too? The pharmacy? The post office? The doctor's or dentist's office? People downplay what they do.
IL I have known this couple for years. He must have gotten it at the grocery store or getting gas. Ironically he went there because his wife took too much time and he was faster at getting in and out. He was protecting her. She got it also but it barely affected her.