This approach makes the most sense to me - harm reduction
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This approach makes the most sense to me - harm reduction
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It makes sense to me too. California has great weather in many places to allow outdoor dining, exercising, etc. It’s particularly difficult for people that live alone. Today will be sunny and 55 so my kids will come over and we will be outside wearing masks and staying 6 ft apart. They go nowhere except for walks. They enter through the side gate. We do this weekly and also have a patio heater. One day we lasted 2 hours and on thanksgiving only 20 minutes because it was so cold.
I saw on the news the vaccines may be free, but doctors can charge to inject you. A doctor's visit costs me over $100 until I meet my deductible and I have better insurance than most. How many people are going to rush to get vaccinated when there are out of pocket costs? If the vaccine is rolled out in the first quarter of next year most will not have met their deductibles.
I picture the vaccine being available at drive throughs or the local supermarket or big box pharmacy much like the flu shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
My doc tried to charge me for administering a shot a year or two ago. Insurance denied the charge and I never got billed.
people aren't stupid either. Seeing others outside your household is variously illegal or not illegal but highly advised against (it's almost never not one or the other - 9 months anyone living alone was supposed to go without almost all human contact and stare at happy graphics of a nuclear families with 2.5 kids and a dog as the only acceptable human contact) unless … MONEY CHANGES HANDS ding ding ding.Quote:
This approach makes the most sense to me - harm reduction
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So seeing people outside your household indoors or outdoors was banned during the same period where indoor restaurants and bars were legal! Oh yea socializing in a park sure is more dangerous than a bar. Seeing others outside was advised against when outside dining was legal. A fool can see what is going on here and it's NOT public health, it's all about the Benjamin$. Then sometimes their message is literally everyone should sacrifice all social contact IN ORDER to keep businesses open. Sheesh this martyr on the alter of capitalism message is really not going to work (even though everyone does get we are in a world of economic hurt). I would have put money on they weren't going to close shops until after black Friday no matter how bad it got. What do I win?
Like I said seeing my boyfriend is almost always advised against and outright illegal half the time. He's the only person I see indoors other than when I shop. I work from home during this pandemic. He works in a masked office and I acknowledge the risk, and doesn't see anyone else indoors except at the office and shopping either. Visiting people outside distanced is always advised against and outright illegal half the time as well.
A lot of people are struggling, if they're not going under for the third time. They can't afford injection charges.
IMO, employers of essential workers should provide shots and masks to all.
I’ve only ever gone to the doc for a vaccination if I was already going to the doc so I’ve no idea if he would attempt to charge me. I just put my flat $20 copay for the visit. When I’ve need one otherwise I’ve gone to a pharmacy like walgreeens or at the grocery store. Safeway here has signs all over saying ‘get your free* flu shot with an * at the bottom saying ‘with most insurance’. I assume they will do the same once they have covid vaccine.
Same here. I’ve gotten flu shot at Walgreens or the grocery store pharmacy for years. Got both doses of shingles vaccine that way, too. I expect those same places will be distributing the covid vaccine. Much more efficient and accessible than doctors’ offices.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
I looked into pricing for the shingrix shots before I got them because it wasn’t clear if the aca rules meant that they’d be fully covered. It ended up being cheapest to just go to the doc and pay the copay. Costco and walgreens were both going to charge over $100 for the two shots. Two $20 copays at doc was the best deal.
I just don’t get people.
A friend in his mid 20s lives at home with parents and younger sibs still in high school. Grandpa lives with the family and is high risk due to age and some medical conditions. All work from home/do online school. Friend’s sister and her VERY compromised immune system boyfriend are driving in from FL for Christmas. Friend was supposed to go diving with me this weekend but cancelled due to the sister’s BF coming in for Christmas. Outside activity. Social distanced above water. Can’t pass it underwater. “We have to be very careful,” he told me. I asked him what about very at risk people NOT traveling? How is this a good idea?
Jesus wept.
In the past year I’ve been a good Doobie and got so many of those shots you’re supposed to have. Granted I haven’t gotten this year’s flu shot. I just go to the Little pharmacy in Hermann, Missouri and insurance pays, fine, and if they don’t pay that’s fine too. The shingles shot was so important that I didn’t care if Insurance covered it, and it didn’t.
As far as pandemic travel, I’ve said it before here and I’m gonna say it again: the adamant mask wearers and blue political ticket voters are still traveling across the country. For pleasure. I simply do not understand it.
last last summer I was vaguely planning a trip in a car and thought of all the ways that I could avoid going into food stores and etc. But in the end it was just too much trouble. But I am not a blue ticket voter. It just seems incredibly hypocritical to me to be lecturing the world about pandemic behavior while traveling across the country in pleasure trips.
It shouldn't be a political issue--why is it?
All the blue voters I know have been very, very careful and are not traveling. It seems all the rabid anti-maskers are militantly red, but that's just my impression.
A Chicago alderman owns a well known restaurant (Ann Sathers) on the night side. A blog broke the news that he had been allowing a small number of regulars to dine inside. That has been forbidden in Chicago since sometime in October. He’s looking at a minimum of a $10K fine. He seems to have reluctantly apologized.
I don’t care if my insurance pays for the vaccine or not but I am getting it as soon as I can. We miss travel so much.
Why is it a political issue? Because so many of you break everything down to blue and red.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
I'll get the vaccine, but I'm skeptical of its lasting efficacy. So what about the 40% of people who won't get it?
I don't think that explains it. How did it get to be an issue over which we are divided? I think you have to blame Trump, who early on decided he wasn't going to wear a mask, so I guess that made it political. But why would so many risk their own health to prove a point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Covid became a political issue the day Trump said it was a hoax or that it would just go away and his followers believed it. I don't think we concocted it here and my interpretation of the common news reports is that it has been politicized. I'm not even sure how to categorize those who think mask mandates or other social distancing are an interference of individual liberties and dumb, but I suspect that can be defined by political leanings, and theoretically could affect my health and well being.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Anecdotally, my circle of acquaintances comes from across the political spectrum. I think just in the past couple of months everyone has been more cautious, but previously there were general differences in the definition of "safe behaviour" strongly related to political leanings.
But, we're beating a dead horse.
Yup, it's always the "other" guy. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
We dont HAVE to blame Trump. You do you, though Carry on.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
For God's sake--he said it was a hoax when he knew full well that it was an airborne, often fatal disease (see Woodward, Rage). And that was only the beginning. I don't blame Trump for the existence of the virus, but for his disastrous, dishonest response and the resulting hundreds of thousands of casualties. Leaders should take responsibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
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Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
Same here. The only people we see who are not wearing masks are trumpers. It is beyond stupid.
How do you know the only people not wearing masks are trumpers? Because they aren’t wearing masks?Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
trump IS to blame. Even now he is planning large Christmas parties at the White House and based on previous behavior you can be sure there will be no masks. How many times have you seen him in a mask? I can count on one hand. Those who follow him do as he does. As he said, this is a hoax.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I also blame trump for the lack of availability of vaccinations. See Wisconsin is to get 49,725 doses and we have over 450,000 health care workers. That will go far. Remember this later. He was asked and he declined to get more. Now all is parceled out to other countries. He definitely dropped the ball.
When they tell you it is a hoax and their political right to now wear a mask.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
Recently met 2 guys and went around them. Asked me what was the problem and that was their response.
trump IS to blame. Even now he is planning large Christmas parties at the White House and based on previous behavior you can be sure there will be no masks. How many times have you seen him in a mask? I can count on one hand. Those who follow him do as he does. As he said, this is a hoax.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I also blame trump for the lack of availability of vaccinations. See Wisconsin is to get 49,725 doses and we have over 450,000 health care workers. That will go far. Remember this later. He was asked and he declined to get more. Now all is parceled out to other countries. He definitely dropped the ball.
All one needs to do is look at pictures of the crowds at any trump super spreader rally compared to the Biden victory speech crowds.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
Or pictures from the crowd at the republican convention this summer. There's literally like only half a dozen people wearing masks there and there's nothing socially distanced about anyone.
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So by that reasoning, these are all right wing, deplorable Trumpers?Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
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You won't find me defending what newsome and crew did. Or defending Denver Mayor Hancock telling people to stay home for thanksgiving while he went to Mississippi. We can all find plenty of hypocrisy wherever we want to look. And if you want to pretend that there isn't a partisan divide about mask wearing and public health recommendations that's your choice. But we all know trump was calling covid a hoax, and mocking masks and the people who wear them, including mocking Laura Ingraham who was attending one of his rallies. If you don't think that turned it into a partisan issue than I suppose it's possible you also don't think that he caused a partisan split of who the majority of in person voters were versus voting by mail.
Do you mean to say those are not rabid right wing Trumpers defying common sense health precautions and contributing to Trump's desire to infect as many people as possible in the picture? How can the rest of us tell?Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Looks like a nice bunch to me. Were they following local or CDC guidelines at the time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
I'm sure they are, not a MAGA hat in sight. But I've been led to believe that anyone not wearing a mask or social distancing are undoubtedly right wing, deplorable Covid hoaxers, usually residing in red states. But I'm not so sure.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
Trump undermining coronavirus response was a lot more fundamental than just being a hypocrite. It's not like we had Trump warning everyone of the coronavirus threat and planning actively to handle it, while secretly sneaking around without a mask or something. Rather we had him playing political games with ventilator supply and twittering to undermine state government response to the pandemic etc.. Those are nowhere near in the same league. It's robbing a bank versus stealing a pencil from work.
Hypocrisy is a trumped up charge if ever there was one, a ridiculously overblown sin if ever there was one, a sin for 5 year olds to point fingers about. By the way, I'd vote against Newsome, if someone better runs, I just don't expect better to come from the Republicans but with CA jungle primaries it doesn't have to, he's just not expected to be challenged.
Here you go with the red again.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
You haven't been following me, I only mentioned red states because most of you keep bringing it up, I thought that was obvious in the "I've been led to believe" part.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
You keep bringing it up....Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Pitting states against each other, having feds bid for PPE and then parceling it out by state party affiliation, sending ventilators abroad, neglecting to take advantage of emergency appropriations...Distribution was an endless cluster*. Incompetence, petulance, or a combination of both?
Oh? I thought I was just responding to it. Silly me.....Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one