From your link.
Most of the figures cited are accurate and the general thrust of the claim is valid: The pandemic has produced staggeringly high daily death counts that reached 3,411 on Dec. 9
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From your link.
Most of the figures cited are accurate and the general thrust of the claim is valid: The pandemic has produced staggeringly high daily death counts that reached 3,411 on Dec. 9
I would not want to draw any hard comparisons to modern times, but for a point of interest you might recall the diseases that the Europeans, who had some sort of natural immunity, introduced to the native Americans. Measles, small pox, flu, etc. that wiped out what some claim was 95% of their population in a relatively short time. I guess the curve did go down eventually. In the case of the Spanish flu virus which seems to have mutated in a less virulent form, I suspect there is not guarantee that Covid could actually mutate into a more virulent form.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
What matters is that the fewer people who are infected the fewer who will die either directly or indirectly from exposure. And they are saying the vaccines is that it will reduce the number infected. Fewer infected=fewer deaths. I don't think we will know what numbers constitute herd immunity until we are there.
I think the vaccines are a good idea, but strongly disagree with those who say even if you get vaccinated - or everyone gets vaccinated - life must continue to be restricted. Why get the vaccines then? Because in some far corner of the planet one person might die from a virus that lies dormant but never dies?
If one percent seems like a low death rate it’s actually 3.4 million people in our country alone. My friend that died probably had 15-20 years left if it wasn’t for the virus.
That’s not what’s going to be asked. But by all means carry on griping about masks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Unless, of course, if that one person that might die is you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
You complain about wearing a mask, you complain about people who don't wear masks... you really don't seem to make much sense at all.
Here's hoping you stay safe and healthy AND don't make anyone else sick or dead.
I think this is an excellent article, arguing for individual liberty, common sense, and local solutions rather than paranoia by public health "experts" tyrannizing us. And yes, some of them do want us to wear masks forever:
https://reason.com/2020/12/04/epidem...ew-york-times/
Whence do you derive your "expertise", Yppej?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Where did you go to medical school? Did you study epidemiology, public health, virology, anything? Practice professionally? Author any publications? Consult in the field? Testify as an expert witness?
Surely you must have some serious chops, since you are throwing stones.
I have faith in what you call "experts." Not unquestioning, blind faith, but I believe they know far more than I do about infectious diseases. Do you consider Anthony Fauci a fraud? Laurie Garrett?
We need to maintain caution until we've reached the infection level of countries that have come through this pandemic better than we have. And/or we figure out how much immunity the vaccine buys us. This may require mask-wearing.
The two vaccines coming to market soonest are 95% effective. Masks should only be needed for those who are not vaccinated. Being able to ditch the mask would be an incentive to get the shot. But it is about control, not health.
I tell you, if my parents get the vaccine as soon as they are 12 days past their second shots I will give them big hugs, first time since March. I believe vaccines work, I am not an anti-vaxxer.
I'm praying my parents get the vaccine soon. They are officially in outbreak status at their facility, as of a week ago.
From the sound of it, these vaccines are effective--but for how long? That's my primary concern.
I don't get the hysteria around "control." Do you feel the same way about seat belts? There are a million ways corporations, governments, and peers exercise control, from expecting people to wear clothes, to the necessity of paying taxes and fees. But you only draw the line at masks designed to protect you and others in a time when 3000+ are dying every day?
And this is the biggest lie you are living with and arguing about and believing in - this is NOT about control, this IS about health!!! For yourself and others!!! You can't seem to grasp this or simply refuse to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Dr. Yppej speaks. Please come by at your soonest convenience and educate the "experts" in charge of the protocols for my infectious disease response team....Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
(Hey, also, could you ask them about not bothering to check my blood titers on a regular basis for all the other stuff I get vaccinated for, I'd sure love to avoid the pesky blood draws and all of that.)
I think probably being able to avoid intubation for yourself and others should be sufficient motivation. Then again, intubation always looks like such fun when we do it. Maybe it'll become a sport?Quote:
Being able to ditch the mask would be an incentive to get the shot.
Did you read the article I posted a link to? Some of these "experts" want us wearing masks forever, long after the pandemic is over. In my state they have convinced the governor to mandate that you wear a mask at all times, even if you are out hiking in the middle of nowhere with no one else around. They have convinced him to impose a curfew as if covid particles were nocturnal animals only out to infect you at night. It is restriction on top of restriction on top of restriction the most visible manifestation of which is masking. Masks symbolize the entire loss of civil liberties during the pandemic by politicians who themselves jet around the country, hold indoor parties and gatherings (not wearing masks themselves, do as I say not as I do), violate business closures by secretly and illegally getting their hair done, etc. There are two sets of rules and as a little person I justifiably resent the way the elites have handled the pandemic.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
Ignore the rules if you don't like them. Other than a few restaurant owners that have been fined or forced to shut down there doesn't seem to be much legal penalty in doing so.
But when you end up sick and potentially in the hospital or morgue like trump or melania or herman cain or ben carson or amy coney barret or rudy guiliani or ben sasse or donald trump jr or rick scott or chuck grassley or the republicans in the Arizona legislature or the Republicans in the Michigan legislature or any of many other non-mask, non-rule followers don't expect much sympathy from anyone.
Because it’s only for several months as we roll out vaccines to all. It’s not forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Nothing is instantaneous.
No one is trying to control you. People that think that have more issues than the virus.
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
Jeppy: The good news is that if you are in the middle of nowhere with nobody else around, you can absolutely get away without wearing your mask. When I'm out walking, I pick and choose when I need to have my mask on my face and I see plenty of others doing the same. I do err more on the side of masking where I am more likely to encounter people, e.g. busy sidewalks in the town centers.
I agree with you RR and I wish our governor did also. I notice that despite his dictates he will remove his mask in public at press conferences, I guess so he will look better on camera. Typical politician hypocrisy.
I saw a doctor interviewed last night (wish I had made note of her name) who startlingly said that we really don't know how the Pfizer vaccine works in that we don't even know if it protects completely against infection,or if it only protects against life-threatening outcomes. That would explain continued mask wearing--at least for awhile.
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No one is trying to control you. People that think that have more issues than the virus.
Is there any reason to wear a mask after coronavirus is really no threat? Well ... they do provide good sun protection.
In Asian countries, at least, they're used during flu season.
The key here is "after coronavirus is really no threat". Or whatever comes next will no longer be a threat or the next virus after that.....Quote:
Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore
It's interesting with the upcoming holidays... we have received invitations to "share" Christmas with one or two different extended families and... while I would love to do that... I keep coming back to the fact and myself and one of my children work in a warehouse environment, and that other workers in that environment have tested positive over the last couple of weeks. While we are still okay, I don't consider us "safe" to be joining others outside our immediate household. I love that we are being thought of, though, and hope to connect with family in other ways.
I truly worry about the "numbers" after the holidays. I pray that everyone will give the gift of safety and health to others this holiday season by doing what is right and so easy to do - mask, social distance, etc.
Meanwhile, while we’re busy bickering about the evil of being forced to wear masks, in Australia they are averaging about 10 cases per day, almost all of them quarantined travelers arriving from other countries. Everything has opened back up and life is normal. And no one is dying from covid.
My family has decided to postpone the Christmas celebration to the Summer Solstice.Quote:
Originally Posted by happystuff
That's a nice alternative.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
That is a brilliant solution if everyone is on board with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Mom is sitting on her porch in a rocking chair with a shotgun on her knees, and telling everyone to stay away from her until she's vaccinated.Quote:
Originally Posted by razz
That sort of seems the corollary to a meme I saw the other day. It was the head of the first UK woman to be vaccinated photoshopped on a drunk party girl in the middle of the street holding a bottle of booze and said ‘first vaccinated woman goes on pub crawl bender shorting ‘I’m immortal, mother f’ers!’Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Within the last month, one of my cousin's entire family caught the virus after visiting DisneyWorld (I will refrain from further comment), then someone from my parent's neighborhood, where I grew up, died from it, then my 85 year old aunt went into, and thankfully left, the ICU with Covid. Four people have tested positive at my work (though we're all remote) and it seems like more and more people who I have a direct connection to have the viral nasty. It finally feels like a pandemic on a personal level, though I never doubted that it was one.
Given the rising cases, we actually did curbside pickup today from a department store rather than do the social distance dance in the extremely crowded store. A week ago we had to dodge people in a local Walgreen's. No one there seemed to care about keeping distance. So we may resort to curbside more often until this thing resides.
This first part of this article gives a good summary of our current status with the pandemic in the USA.
I can’t absorb all of this. I’m numb to it now.
https://apple.news/A4pKxBdISRGOqanPTMgkIuA
[QUOTE=ewomack;370150] It finally feels like a pandemic on a personal level/QUOTE]
Yes, and in my county I am seeing more sickness also. I am sad to hear of every case. I encourage everyone to take every reasonable precaution.
Yes, Love is alive.
I went for gas last night and people were going in the building to pay, buy snacks, or get coffee from the embedded coffee shop. No one but me was wearing a mask, no employees, no customers. So while I continue to obey the law I am not the only one who thinks masks don't work against the miniscule covid particles.
I'm not seeing anyone going into businesses unmasked in my area, although I do see some improper mask wearing. I had a fleeting fantasy of bringing a red Sharpie to Market Basket and "tagging" the exposed noses.
What makes you think they aren't wearing a mask due to thinking that masks don't work? They could just be adopting the selfish "I don't care attitude".Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
ROFLOL. And you could explain your actions as simply decorating them for the holiday! (aka Rudolph)Quote:
Originally Posted by rosarugosa
I saw a picture of a mask online that said on it "it doesn't work if I can see your nose".Quote:
Originally Posted by rosarugosa