I don't understand why people can't just write this year off and wait until they get vaccinated to attend nonessential gatherings. It's not forever, after all.
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I don't understand why people can't just write this year off and wait until they get vaccinated to attend nonessential gatherings. It's not forever, after all.
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Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
That is exactly what I think. I’ll just take this year to stay in and have a simple life. Those of us who CAN do it SHOULD do it, anyway. God knows there are plenty of people who cannot do that, those who have to work and school their children and etc.
But all folks in the flower show world who think we must carry on—I just think whaaaaaat? ? It’s not like they are the World War II generation soldiering on, they’re barely my senior. I think being patriotic and “ strong” is, in fact, making necessary adjustments to my life to stay healthy.
Oh I think it's genuinely psychologically hard to live this pandemic, not do much, never be free of fearing the virus in the background etc.. So it takes a toll.
What one will far less readily admit than hey duh many parts of this pandemic kinda suck, and they do, is that there are parts of it one likes and in many ways one Dreads the return to the old normal. Oh sure it will be nice not to fear death around every corner, if not for oneself then for others. But I don't look forward to going to the office every day, buying gas every week to do so (yep it's official like at least 75% of my gas costs were commuting, ha for a job that's only 10 miles away at that - I bought gas every week, I buy it once a month now), traffic, hecticness - this is too much in the other direction, but that life before was crazy hectic. I'm an introvert, this is Too Much introversion for me, but I hate the normal hectic, it's overstimulating, it's draining, I hate always having to be around others and most of the time not able to be myself around them either (have to be work persona and so on). People rushing around and doing what anyway, mostly destructive stuff, that I don't look forward to the return of. But like I said this is too much in the other direction, I'd like not to avoid people Constantly, just much of the time :)
That many corporations are embracing (permanent) teleworking is one of the positives to come out of this.
A number of people I know are getting increasingly hostile about me continuing my diving. They bleep about my travels to WI and OH are going to spread it. I’ve had to tell them rather firmly to back off. I’ve also called them hypocrites to their (virtual) faces.
They’re continuing to get together with friends and family. Christmas shopping at the mall or other crowded stores. Big T’giving gatherings and ones planned for Christmas and New Year’s. I continually remind them that private gatherings are the majority reason for the spread now.
I work from home. Occasionally go to socially distanced church. Grocery shop once a week and go to get my scuba tanks filled as needed. And these people are freaking I’m going to spread it. Idiots.
And no, they’re not conservatives. They’re libs.
I think most people are taking the precautions they consider reasonable. I think JP1 needs to come and Visit my block in my very blue city Biden for president signs, black live matter signs, rainbow declarations and etc. abound, and I can point to every household that has had out-of-state vacations by choice, many households with more than one, in the past few months. They use airplanes. Did they comply with each state’s quarantine requirement? I don’t know, but kinda makes you wonder. Again, these are all very liberal political voters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tradd
A close friend, gay and Dem voter, related how he took so many precautions when he flew to California. Stayed three weeks. Stayed mostly in one place to visit our friends. Only they all piled into a car pile and traveled from California to another state to visit another set of our friends.
It’s all OK because he took precautions.
Like I said, everyone thinks they’re taking precautions. It’s silly that we as a society are painting this as a liberal and conservative issue. That’s not what I see in actual practice.
I guess this is as good a place as any to confess that Covid lockdown has given me a disease that I never thought I would have: baby fever
I don’t mean baby fever for humans, I mean I have a yen to get a puppy. I’m really not a puppy person. But there are reasons why in lockdown we could raise a puppy because we have the time and attention to give to a puppy. And they are so cuuuuuuuuute! And my big dog needs another dog around and I theorize he would be less likely to be attacking a baby that he helps to raise. Plus a bulldog is going to get bigger then our current foster mini dog who is old and small and a little fragile.
ANM: " I'd like not to avoid people Constantly, just much of the time." I love it; that should be on a commemorative 2020 t-shirt or something. :)
IL: Get a puppy! Post lots of pictures!
Everyone is taking what precautions they may consider reasonable, because the guidance from the powers that be is poorly communicated and all abstinence only all the time, when we do get it. There was like a month and a half in the whole pandemic when one was allowed to see anyone outside their household even outdoors here. This is not reasonable.
I don't necessarily believe that most cases are originating in personal gatherings, oh of course I believe personal gatherings can spread covid (esp if inside, undistanced, unmasked). But I suspect the powers that be Don't Actually Know where the cases are originating. Since they have no ability to actually trace superspreader events it seems, even in cases of known superspreader events and people, if the superspreading event or person itself had been missed of course all spread look like it's from family members, anonymous community spread etc., because that is how it spreads afterward. I really have seen little evidence that contract tracing here has revealed any real information on how this is actually spreading. But it does seem to be everywhere now :0!
Ugh!!!! Housebreaking a dog or child is beyond fun!Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
This thing is infused with politics. Of course small gatherings spread it, but so do all the gatherings related to keeping our economy open. They just don’t want to shut down the economy. In person schools!?! I still can’t believe that is happening.
please repeat often over the next several weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
DH is not on board with this because he says we will have two years of peeing and chewing on everything.
Our head of rescue just had a litter of puppies. Only two of them are female and I don’t know which one out of the litter she’ll keep, but it will likely be a female. That leaves only one that would be a possibility for us. People stand in line for her dogs.
So bottom line it doesn’t look likely that we would get one of these puppies. I’m not gonna go elsewhere for a puppy, it is either hers or none.
This may this fever may just be a temporary insanity that goes away in a few days.
I could get a kitten and they are so much fun and so independent. But the thing is I can’t get a kitten because I’m too old. The cat will outlive me. The only cats I can get are adult cats.I just don’t want a litter box for a while longer. I’ve been with out a litter box for six months and it is great.
Pets add so much to our lives, tho. We have two small dogs that make us laugh every day. One has allergies and costs a fortune, but we would do anything to keep her healthy. Get lots of chew toys, go for lots of potty walks (great time to talk to people outside). It will work out.
I thought you wanted to travel? More pets will tie you down?Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
We only adopted a kitten once. Every other time, we've adopted young adults. That feels better since it is harder for adults to get adopted. We aren't quite noble enough to adopt older cats because then the inevitable heartache comes too soon. We might become more receptive as we get older though for the same reason IL doesn't want to adopt a kitten.
keep ‘em coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
I was just having this conversation with a friend yesterday. We’re ready to get another cat or two now that we’re settled in our new place. And since we’re not traveling anytime soon it seems like a good time. We don’t especially want kittens so tomorrow we’re doing a zoom meeting with the foster parent of two sisters that are about a year old. The humane society also has an older girl who is about nine. She sounds like she has the perfect personality for us but I literally said the exact same thing about the heartbreak coming too soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by rosarugosa
My husband just turned on the Cotton Bowl that is in Arlington, TX. The stands are full - no apparent social distancing and no masks visible. So that will be a super spreader and the talk about a surge over a surge may happen. We are all trying so hard to mask, physical distance and then you turn on TV and see this. I just don't get it.
I believe the Cotton Bowl will be played on Dec 30th this year. Are you sure he isn't watching a past game?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonora Shepherd
"Notre Dame coach Brian Kelly and Clemson coach Dabo Sweeney slammed the possibility of playing the College Football Playoff without parents in attendance on Friday, suggesting the Rose Bowl should be moved to another location if it can't accommodate them." I think it is the ACC Championship Game. It seems like a live game. I hope it is an old game, but don't think it is.
The ACC Championship game is tomorrow. I believe there are 4 college games scheduled for today although there should be covid protocols in place for each, I believe that's an NCAA requirement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonora Shepherd
I think that the "following protocols or not" question is definitely bigger than team red vs. team blue. The non-followers can probably be divided into a few groups. At the low end of the economic spectrum there's a clear red group who just don't want to do the masking and not hugging and not getting together thing. Dozens of articles about random sad small rural counties are easily found to confirm this. Further up the economic spectrum there are a lot of people who refuse to follow the recommendations and are doing house parties and such. On up above that are the people who are probably wearing masks everywhere but still doing houseparties and getting on planes and whatever. All of them combined are the reason that we're in a death spiral from covid. Only the first group are politically specific. The rest are probably divided pretty equally between team red and team blue.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
Personally I'd rather not die or bring covid into my home and kill SO with all his co-morbidities. Instead of whining about the restrictions like some people do, I tend to just get pissed at the stupidity of all the people who refuse to follow the guidance, regardless of where they are on the socio-economic spectrum or political spectrum. We will continue to take this seriously and hope that the vaccines will ultimately squash this.
Random perspective from a friend on facebook. Friend, before covid, traveled a lot. Both for personal and for professional reasons. For ten months now he has not gone anywhere. He's high risk, having had two heart attacks despite not yet being 50 and having his father die of a heart attack in his 30's. He's patiently (well, maybe not so patiently, but still, waiting) waiting until he's vaccinated before he gets out and does stuff. Because he likes to travel he used to be subscribed to "the points guy" on facebook. The points guy, as one might expect, offers tips on how to score deals if you are a frequent traveler. Friend announced yesterday that he stopped following "the points guy" because he's tired of half of "the points guy"'s followers trying to justify ignoring public health advisories just because they "can't possibly stay home" or "i need my miles!" or whatever stupid reason they come up with.
IrisLillies, might I suggest you foster a few kittens? Likely by the time they’re old enough to be adopted, you will have come to your.... senses, LOL
The employee is back to work after picking granny up and flying her to Massachusetts. He got a test as soon as he returned. A senior friend of my mom's flew to Atlanta for Thanksgiving and got a test 2 days after she returned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Yet I see in the news that there is a 5 day latency period for covid and you should quarantine 5 days after you return before being tested. But people don't want to sit around and quarantine so that is not going to happen and employers don't want to be short staffed so they won't require it. Mom's friend works part time and she was also right back to work.
Our testing and contact tracing system is pathetic. In hard-hit areas, you're lucky if you're tested at all, let alone multiple times.
That is a fantasy! I’m just afraid that I will be stuck with kittens that have not been adopted. That worries me very much.Quote:
Originally Posted by mschrisgo2
I will confess that One reason whyI do Bulldog Rescue because there is a strong “market” for English bulldogs.I don’t do pitbull rescue because that is heartbreaking, I can’t get into that world. The world of English bulldogs is, if I stay away from the sad stories, happy and successful.
There are about 10 million cats that need to be adopted. That worries me so much.
Alan is right. I have battle rattle. Thanks
I heard the story on the radio, the radio host told it: a family wanted to have a 80th birthday party for their grandfather. Everyone got tested before the party. Everyone wore masks except when they were eating in their enclosed room in a restaurant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Many people came down sick. I don’t know what the end result is and if anyone died but here’s what kills me: the host said “here they did everything right and they still get Covid!”
Nope, they did not do everything right, they had a party in an enclosed room with a bunch of people who are not wearing masks. That is not “doing it right. “
I didn’t get that from any of your posts over the past eight months. I thought it was only red state flyover country, trump voting, republican Neanderthals who were earning your ire.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
I think you did not hit hard enough keyboard warriors who piously point out their own mask wearing. I mean it’s good that they’re wearing masks, it’s good that we all wear masks. I wear a mask when I know I’m going to be with humans! But I don’t need to bring attention to it. Nor do I need all levels of government to quack on about me wearing it.
And, perhaps, give you a reason to get new furniture?Quote:
Originally Posted by mschrisgo2
IL ... You asked for more......
And regardless of what they did, they were in a restaurant! Who cleaned it? Who served them?Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
new rugs. Any rugs for that matter. Peeing puppies ruin rugs and floors.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
My current bulldog is super clean. he quivers in horror when our foster dog poops in the house.
Even with waiting 5 days then testing, you still might have a false negative. It’s at 10-14 days that you have reassurance that you won’t get it. There are no ways around the 10-14 days of quarantine. But people still try to cheat the system.
Exactly!Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I wish they would at least admit that they broke the rules. But nope. They justify themselves.
If it was legal they DID NOT break the rules. Period. So was indoor dining legal there or not? Because if it was they did not break the rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tammy
Now was a smart thing to do? No, it was not.
But our government is ridiculous. It expects people to entirely figure out what the smart thing is to do on thier own, if it does not shut dangerous things down. The thing is noone can do this entirely and not everyone is extremely informed either, heck many are barely or are not literate in any population, don't speak the language very well and it gets lost in translation, etc.. So they aren't the informed consumers of their fantasies and the government officials do KNOW that. And even if one considers oneself informed, one knows that restaurants are dangerous: but there is an outdoor gym here, it sounds like a party going on all the time, it's partly outdoors has a tent roof, chain link fence partly covered for walls, but it is *partly* outdoors. Machines are probably bare 6 feet away, people are huffing and puffing, are they wearing masks, legally they need to be but I have no idea, let's assume so. Is that gym legal? Yea. Is it safe? I seriously think it's a superspreader event waiting to happen! But I don't actually have the knowledge to really figure out what the real risks of that gym are for certain (and yes I'd like to go to the gym, but I'm not risking covid). I understand about indoor spread, I understand about outdoor spread being many orders of magnitude less. I don't understand what the heck THAT is though. The advice about outdoor spread being relatively safe was probably for people distanced in a park or on the beach with no roof or walls and much more space between people, or for people briefly passing on a walk for 1 minute, not for a situation like that.
yes, And I agree with most of the rest of your post too.Quote:
Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore
as for restaurants and that party – the restaurant around the corner from me, a block from me, is where I’m spending money these days. I didn’t go there often prior Covid but it’s a respectable restaurant, I know the owner, I know she struggling, and I can afford to drop dollars there.
So, of course we are required to wear masks when we go there and the servers wear masks. She set up two large tents outdoors with heaters. We ate there once last month with friends and it was charming, And I rather enjoyed the crisp air.But when I walk by there now the tents have sides. Only the ends ends have no coverings. So now I’m not willing to eat there outside again because I don’t see how that setup is significantly different from eating inside.
she has a large party room and I observed last week a wedding party occupying the space. There’s been at least one other party that I’ve seen there. While her indoor restaurant has tables spaced far apart, I couldn’t see that the party room was spaced differently than usual.
She also opened up a takeout deli which I initially groused about, but now I see the wisdom of it. So that is where I spend my weekly money with her establishment, in the takeout food area because I’m certainly not gonna sit inside during the winter,And the outside accommodations are barely different from inside.
Rules: I was referring not to the law, but to the recommendations from every epidemiologist in the world..
One more reason for IrisLilies to not get another pet just yet - wait until you get your allergy testing done to be sure that you are not developing animal allergies. It can start at any time in life and cats are the biggest offenders.
You may not need the government to quack on about it but apparently other people do. When Kansas instituted a mask mandate in July they allowed counties to opt out because "muh freedumb" overrides keeping people safe. The counties that did the mandate saw their case counts start to fall. The "muh freedumb" counties saw their case rates double during the same time period.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
https://fox4kc.com/news/virus-cases-...c-report-says/