The bold thrust of history will not be denied, Alan, and if a few sacrifices have to be made along the way, just remember, the bright shiny new future justifies all!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-b0lFOIHtF7...s1600/eloi.jpg
As Cheney has said before:Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-n..._b_190311.html
LOL, that's a great diversion from the way back machine. Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lainey
As long as we're travelling with Mr Peabody, let's go back to the period where this thread began. Do you think the Presidential election may have had a different outcome if the populace knew that economic/employment data were being falsified, that the ACA was sold on a series of mis-representations, that the power of the IRS was being used to diminish political outreach, with each travesty of transparency designed as political advantage for the present administration.
Would any of that have made a difference? Just curious..
Bae, off-topic, but your local water company is private? Ours is a town department, but serves other towns as well. We have nine wells now. Everyone pays the same rate, regardless of the town they live in. Since the employees are town employees, they're covered by the same health plan that all the town employees are covered by.
no both candidates would have still sucked (and Obama not the only one that looks poorer in hindsight). Oh of course you mean whether the 3rd party vote would have been higher or if more people would have just not voted in disgust? While I'd like to think that, and maybe for the latter, for the former alas probably not. Besides that while almost noone has the unemployment rate memorized (who but an unemployed person would, and they'd try to forget it!), everyone already knows the economy sucks, and has since 2008, we know that from labor participation rates not unemployment rates (not to mention poverty rates). Everybody knows that QE and so on didn't mostly do much for the average person.Quote:
Do you think the Presidential election may have had a different outcome if the populace knew that economic/employment data were being falsified, that the ACA was sold on a series of mis-representations,
Ours is a member-owned system. Our village, which is the primary service area for this system, is not an incorporated entity, there is no formal "town" for the system to belong to. It is a pretty large operation, with treatment facilities, reservoirs, well fields, and so on. We also provide the fire hydrant system for the village.Quote:
Originally Posted by 24prins
Our electrical system is member owned as well. In a way its unfortunate. The members consistently vote for the cheapest form of power generation to keep rates low (shock and awe). Here in Nebraska that is coal from Wyoming. No solar, only so much wind as the Feds would subsidize, etc. The monthly bill is easy to take, but at what price?
I know mentioning Bush/Cheney is a sore point. But, ginning up more pseudo-scandals to deflect from that isn't gonna work:Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4302907.html
and from Politifact:
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...worker-admits/
Nope, not a sore point at all, just amusingly off topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lainey
I don't know if its a "pseudo-scandal" or not. The numbers reported were questioned by a wide variety of sources at the time, there are reports of number fudging within the census bureau going back to 2010, the household survey conducted by the census bureau for the period just prior to the election reported the largest monthly increase in workers in 30 years, and the census bureau's reporting structure was changed from the Commerce Department to the White House during the first few weeks of the administrations first term resulting in a politicized organization.Quote:
But, ginning up more pseudo-scandals to deflect from that isn't gonna work:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4302907.html
and from Politifact:
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...worker-admits/
You're probably right, nothing to see here, let's move on.
Jeez. Ok, Bush/Cheney was the most corrupt, evil, mind numbingly deceptive administration in human history. Granted already. All I want to know is, deep in the 5th year, will the current administration (or probably more accurately their followers) accept that the ball has finally been passed to them? History is wonderful if we are able to learn from it. Can we? Or should we just keep our eyes on firmly focused in the rear view mirror while we are careening over a cliff?