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6-17-13, 11:38am
creaker

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Originally Posted by catherine

This law is ideological, emotional blackmail. If we go that route, I suggest we also go back to hangings in the town square. And perhaps we should have pictures on every package of meat of a cow being slaughtered in the CAFO it spent its whole miserable life in.

We could always make it a law that fertile heterosexual couples be forced to watch a graphic 45 minute "educational" video on abortion every time they want to have sex. Just so they are properly educated on their choice. I expect the numbers of abortions would drop dramatically - as well as the number of conceptions.
6-17-13, 11:42am
bUU

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Originally Posted by catherine

And perhaps we should have pictures on every package of meat of a cow being slaughtered in the CAFO it spent its whole miserable life in.

+1
6-17-13, 11:51am
JaneV2.0

And of course the cow--unlike the aborted embryo or fetus--is an independent, living creature with a functioning nervous system, capable of experiencing fear and pain.

Some sources estimate 40-50% of embryos are spontaneously aborted (miscarried) in the first trimester. God is clearly pro-abortion.
6-17-13, 12:21pm
flowerseverywhere

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Originally Posted by JaneV2.0

God is clearly pro-abortion.

Fascinating. Assuming there is a god, and the one someone believes in is the correct one. can humans really know their god's intentions?

The opinions and statements made throughout this thread have been nothing short of astonishing.

Here is an easy solution. You don't agree with legal abortion? Don't get one.
6-17-13, 12:31pm
JaneV2.0

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Originally Posted by creaker

We could always make it a law that fertile heterosexual couples be forced to watch a graphic 45 minute "educational" video on abortion every time they want to have sex. Just so they are properly educated on their choice. I expect the numbers of abortions would drop dramatically - as well as the number of conceptions.

A lengthy travelogue through the joys of parenthood might have exactly the same effect.

We could apply these "educational" show and tell/dog and pony shows to so many situations: marriage, college loans, mate selection, corporate employment...
6-17-13, 12:35pm
JaneV2.0

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Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere

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Here is an easy solution. You don't agree with legal abortion? Don't get one.

That's always been my philosophy. Coupled with a deep appreciation for and assiduous use of contraception.
6-17-13, 12:48pm
bUU

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Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere

Fascinating. Assuming there is a god, and the one someone believes in is the correct one. can humans really know their god's intentions?

Indeed. Those commentators that choose to live by such assumptions must accept the logical consequences of all such assumptions, or accept that their insistence that others live in accordance with the assumptions that the commentators favor has the same credibility as the edicts emanating from a two year old's tantrum.
6-17-13, 2:54pm
peggy

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Originally Posted by JaneV2.0

And of course the cow--unlike the aborted embryo or fetus--is an independent, living creature with a functioning nervous system, capable of experiencing fear and pain.

Some sources estimate 40-50% of embryos are spontaneously aborted (miscarried) in the first trimester. God is clearly pro-abortion.

I believe this. I don't know any women who has been sexually active for any length of time who hasn't had at least one miscarriage. I know I have. And it was at a time when I was trying to get pregnant. Still, I didn't mourn it as a baby. I viewed it as just more time before I would have a baby.

I agree with flowerseverywhere. Don't have one if you are against them.
6-17-13, 3:00pm
Gregg

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Originally Posted by bae

Forced. That's the key for me. The law forces invasion of a woman's person that if done against her will in other circumstances would be an assault warranting the use of lethal force to prevent...

No thanks.

I don't have a religious dog in this fight. That said, I am perfectly happy stipulating that the fetus is a human from the moment of conception, and that its interests require consideration. I just happen to think that a woman's interests in controlling her own person prevail over the baby's interests in occupying her womb against her will.

Pretty well sums up my position as well bae, with one small difference. I'm pro choice, but take into account that if a living adult suffers an event that causes their heart to stop beating they die. One minute alive, the next dead. Five weeks into a pregnancy is (I think) about the time a fetal heartbeat is detectable. At that point I see a pretty clear line and my consideration of the mother's situation quickly wanes. Before that time the debate is philosophically much deeper. DW is also pro choice even though she is absolutely convinced that life begins at the moment of conception. Abortion wouldn't be an option for us, but being pro choice comes from the feeling we aren't qualified to make that kind of call for everyone else. None of it has anything to do with religion.
6-17-13, 3:59pm
JaneV2.0

Beating hearts don't mean much to me; you can culture petri dishes full of pulsing heart muscle cells. It's all about brain activity and viability, IMO.

And in response to Peggy, I've never (to my knowledge) had a miscarriage. Contraception worked, in my case.

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