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And I think pretending that the Q shooter, who had posted much stuff online parroting the various right wing talking points about how evil LGBTQ people are just randomly decided to shoot you an LGBTQ nightclub is pretty sad denialism.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
Or the dude that showed up at the pizza parlor in DC, gun in hand, to ‘save’ the non-existent trafficked children from the non-existent basement.
Charles Manson comes to mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
Call it “stochastic terrorism”. Lecture me about “words are violence”. You’re just putting a new coat of paint on an idea as old and ignoble as scapegoating.
Spoken like someone who isn’t the target of all the Republican hate being spewed these days. As someone who wouldn’t dare to walk hand in hand with my SO in many places in this country I truly hope that no one you love ends up being the unfortunate target of that hate.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
What hate is being spewed by Republicans? If we should consider this forum as a cross-section of society, the only hate spewed is by Democrats. Is it different elsewhere?
You should get out more. This forum is made up of mostly civilized people. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
As usual, you have your head in the sand or elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Well, I have a trans child who’s had it rough from time to time. But I don’t feel that empowers me to claim unfounded connections based on feelings of victimhood.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
I hope for your kid’s sake that your political party stops hating on LGBTQ people at some point in his lifetime. Right now that seems doubtful but since my political party did it in my lifetime I suppose that it’s possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
I’m doing my best to raise him to be strong and comfortable enough in his own self to make virtue signaling and identify politics irrelevant in his life.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
You’d probably do better to teach him to hide deep deep in the closet and learn how to present as cis. Otherwise he's: going to live life as a target just like every other LGBTQ person in America. Being comfortable in one’s skin isn’t particularly helpful for remaining safe when the Republican hate speech fueled bullies come into one’s safe spaces and start firing guns indiscriminately.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
His son says he's a progressive greenie, his actions say he's crazy. Damn Republicans!Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Texas creating trans registry?
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/12...er-texas-data/
if this is true, it is perhaps one of the most frightening things I’ve read. No data is secure these days.
Agreed, I do not like this action.Quote:
Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere
The scary thing to me is that Texans keep re-electing these same guys and the politics there are one of the main reasons we are not in a hurry to move back. I just don't get the governor and AGs obsession with trans individuals.
Like usual Texas is up to no good.
Interestingly, there doesn't seem to be any written request for this information anywhere within the state government. Weird!Quote:
Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere
Who’s a progressive greenie? The club Q shooter? The one whose dad was relieved that his son is only a mass murderer but not a fag? The one who had posted tons of maga screeds online? Is that the guy you’re claiming is a greenie?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Republicans are more likely to be like the head of the NY college republicans who, at a recent event with Marjorie Taylor Green, channeled his inner-Goebbels, saying that they were in favor of total war. But I guess he had to outdo Green, who at the same event said that if she had been the traitor in charge of invading the capitol on J6 they would not have failed at overthrowing the government.
Not to mention their obsession with women's reproductive rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by pinkytoe
xhttps://news.yahoo.com/texas-republi...175000784.html
"The Post reports that Texas Republicans are preparing to introduce a bill for the January 2023 session that “would require internet providers to block abortion pill websites in the same way they can censor child [sexual abuse material].” John Seago, the president of Texas Right to Life, the state’s biggest anti-abortion group, told said the effort would target Aid Access as well as pharmacy sites not run by medical providers.
VPN, anyone?
No, I was thinking about the other guy you ranted about, the one who visited the Pelosi home in his underwear. I must have become confused at your cadre of favorite Republican/Republican influenced baddies. :|(Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
And, I didn't claim he was a greenie, his son did, I was just passing it along for your consideration.
So is he a greenie or isn’t he? Why would you post about him being a greenie if even you didn’t believe it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Do you have a link to share so we can see what led to your post? You republicans are so desperate to claim that every ugly person who attacks a democrat is actually a fellow democrat that I can’t keep up with the silliness. Pro tip-the whole maga screeching that every bad person is really Antifa is just pathetic and silly and only other magas believe it.
I don’t think it would be in his character to cower in some closet for fear of homicidal Republicans lurking in the shadows. I’m trying to teach him not to believe in such simplistic, ideological fables.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Between the angertainment industry and the need to sustain the outrage needed to keep the woke worldview alive, we have reached the point where the available supply of bigotry is unable to meet the burgeoning demand. Therefore every sad incident must be strip mined to fuel the narrative. “Hate” must be defined down to anything that doesn’t support a certain agenda. That’s why we lead the world in hate crime hoaxes. He’s smart enough to get that.
And Alan is correct about his environmental and political views, which I have every hope he will leave behind as he matures. But he is able to make the distinction between a viewpoint difference and a deadly threat.
And it is stupid to pretend no such threat exists. My youngest is trans. They do not "cower" but they know where problems are likely to arise. They have never yet been threatened or harmed by a person of a more liberal persuasion. Those who have threatened or attempted harm (we may be "woke liberals" but we're a gun-toting liberal family - not an unusual thing in our neck of the woods) have been hard right-wingers, each and every one. Please don't let your ideology imperil your child's safety. There is a REAL threat to trans people, and to deny that is foolish.Quote:
I don’t think it would be in his character to cower in some closet for fear of homicidal Republicans lurking in the shadows. I’m trying to teach him not to believe in such simplistic, ideological fables.
I’m not saying there’s no threat at all, but as risks go it’s not a very significant one compared to many others. I think there are parties with an ideological incentive to exaggerate this particular one. People who insist that bad things happen because we don’t shut bad people up.Quote:
Originally Posted by early morning
Statistically LDAHL is right. The likelihood of any one LGBTQ person getting shot by someone inspired by the current republican hatred of LGBTQ people is low. But by his logic it probably also doesn't make sense to wear a seatbelt. Statistically most people aren't going to be involved in a crash that would kill them if they weren't wearing a seatbelt. Yet most of us put on that seatbelt anyway, and encourage our loved ones to do the same, because we understand that it's something we can do to reduce the already small likelihood of death to an even smaller likelihood. If I could do something to make one of my loved ones a little bit safer, like calling out people who weaponize hatred against LGBTQ people I would do that too.
I was shocked to hear Chris Beck, former Navy Seal who transitioned to be Kristen Beck a decade ago, has announced he is de transitioning. The book “Warrior Princess” covers his story, as does a good Netflix documentary. Numerous interview by Anderson Cooper and his cohorts kept Kristen in the limelight, earning her money and awards for simply setting foot in banquet rooms as he now tells it.
I really liked him because he sounded so sincere, and he sounds sincere now. So yeah I was shocked to hear this news.
However I’m not shocked at all that Anderson Cooper, MSNBC, CNN, HuffPo, NYT, NPR and etc have not run a story on his de transitioning and his characterization “Trans ideology is cultish” because that certainly doesn’t fit their narrative. He is speaking out against medicalized transitioning of juveniles and he feels bad for his part in that world. He talks about how easy it was for him to get drugs and be declared to have gender dysphoria When deeper probing of his psychological state would have been appropriate.
That's pretty much my take on the subject, also. There certainly have been determined transgender individuals like Billy Tipton who didn't want or need anyone else's input into their personal, most intimate decisions, apparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I'm pretty skeptical the deeper probing of the psychological state leads anywhere. Because people can have pathological reasons for all sorts of seemingly "normal" behavior. They can have pathological reasons for wanting to have kids, or pursuing a certain career, or perusing a certain relationship. And noone is really much in a position to judge their motivations (sure child protective services can judge if you abuse your kids, actions that harm others can definitely be judged, but not so much motives). And people can also come to regret all sorts of "normal" things. And noone is saying every decision people make should undergo psychological probing (presumably by shrinks?) first. Nor do shrinks really have this capacity IMO, I mean a psychologist can test and say you have ADHD, or autism or depression etc., but they can't say therefore you shouldn't do x, y, z. So all we can say is adults are free to make their own decisions. Juveniles is a much harder problem.
I'm also a bit dubious about the overall "science" of psychology.
I took a couple of psychology classes in college and came away thinking it was pretty much useless--a completely arbitrary "discipline." Lots of impressive language, little meaningful substance.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
I actually enjoyed my college psych 101 class. I enjoyed Fromm, Rollo May, Frankl, Carl Jung. I believe there is a science to psychology, the same as there is a science to anthropology and sociology, as long it's in the right hands.
These damn groomer librarians always causing trouble... Kinda sad that all the sleepy-heads are so afraid of people reading books and getting "ideas". I'm sure the folks here that don't think LGBTQ people are a target will simply ignore this and next week ask "what are you talking about?" when we once again point out all the hate that republicans are spewing at LGBTQ folks. Meanwhile the rest of us will understand quite clearly that your votes for these assholes supports the hate.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/202...gn=recommended
I rather fancied Carl Jung and his rather metaphysical approach. Otherwise, meh.
Oh God, drag queen story hour. It’s so over.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
But I am just a hater.
Apparently it isn't over to republicans. And in this case it's not even drag queen story hour it's LGBTQ books that are oogy boogy scary to republican shitbags. but yeah, give up since you're a retired old lady who just doesn't give a shit about anyone else any more...Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
How graphic are the graphic novels mentioned in your linked story? Does it matter to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Also, what is the purpose of drag queen story hour? Is there a goal associated with it?
I found this article really chilling. This is a mother and grandmother who is receiving threats to her physical safety from these townspeople. I think that is enough to warrant her protection. This has nothing to do with "drag queen story hour." Who gives a s%%t about drag queen story hour. That is not what this article is talking about, and this whole minimizing of the violence that is out there now against regular people such as the women election workers in the Jan 6 hearings--why are people minimizing this and refusing to listen to what is going on with this kind of violent right wing rhetoric against our fellow citizens?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
If that is happening, it's undoubtedly a reaction to something, I'm just wondering what that something could be. These stories always seem long on narrative and short on details.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tybee
You are right, it would be good to know how this situation started. Jackson Township is where the prison is. We used to drive through it on the way to Toledo and points east. It can be a rough town, but there is a lot there economically; it's kind of a cachement shopping etc area for a lot of rural Michigan. Unless I have the wrong Jackson? Because I don't think of that as western Michigan.
I am VERY concerned when public libraries are strong armed to get rid of reasonable works of any political,and societal stripe, and yes that includes graphic novels. This is just plain wrong.
No one is forced to read anything from a public library, these are not school class assignments we are talking about here. I doubt the material in question in this Patmos Library is extreme, it is just that so many parents don’t know what material is out there now in the mainstream publishing world. It is fine if any one parent says “my kid isn’t going to read that!” that is his right.
But when I drill down into the Patmos situation, it looks to me like this is a tiny independent library that is not part of a system. It is on its own for funding and that is a always a teetering, nearly unsustainable position. A $300,000 budget is… Not much. I don’t understand why all of a sudden the Patmos citizens have been asked to come up with tax support for this library but there’s some thing that doesn’t quite make sense to me in the whole story. Maybe Patmos is required to periodically reaffirm their tax support and that’s what this failed election is about?