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Ohhhhh, mom....Quote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
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I know you are all likely tired of hearing about "the 85006" - this is about health, not.politics. For once.
Last night I found out that the 85006 on 11/29 had the highest # of active covid cases in all Arizona zip codes.
And pretty much most that I see anyway are wearing masks. Not good. Rob
Just heard about 3 more people I know who have COVID. One is in the hospital fighting for his life.
My zip code is, on a Covid 5 point scale where 5 is bad per capital infection, a 4.
But the City of st louis is less in infection per capita than nearby counties.
I have always said that masks provide a false sense of security and lead people to engage in risky behavior.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
you will look long and hard to find a correlation between MORE mask wearing and more covid. Because I've never heard of such a thing and doubt very much it exists. But there are correlations to things like poverty. It's tied to having to go to high risk jobs and living in crowded conditions. Of course if there are high risk gatherings going on it doesn't help either.
At a certain point some are going to engage in risky behavior not because they are obsessed with masks, but just out of quarantine exhaustion in a seemingly never-ending (but it will end eventually) pandemic.
And now there are new strains popping up. I just wish we were on the other side of this. Rob
As kind of a connoisseur of commercials, I give this one highest marks for being on target for this pandemic year:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDjl...l=wallytron101
Great! That particular version didn’t run audio for me but I looked up another version on YouTube to get the whole thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
I’m sure 41 is old in some person’s mind. And it’s just a fluke that there are lots of pics on Twitter and such with him at White House level stupid mask free events. Yay freedumb?
https://news.google.com/articles/CAI...S&ceid=US%3Aen
Letlow crashed in what seems to be record time. Scary business.
Yes, I think it’s too bad that someone so young succumbed to this disease, seemingly at random. I can’t tell from your post if you think it’s too bad or not. Really hard to tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
The confusing thing to me is that there is a perception (and maybe it's true) that the virus hits those hardest with pre-existing conditions even if they are quite young. Is it really so random as to pick off supposedly healthy people?
I think it's a tragedy that Letlow died, leaving two young children behind. 41 is far too young, especially with such a promising future ahead of him. COVID sucks.
If you search for "18 year old dies of COVID" you find a startling number of hits--people who had no apparent reason to die. Also, a recently-vaccinated health care worker came down with it about a week after his shot. Thankfully, he's recovering.
Re Letlow, I don't know why anyone in their right mind would go to a mask-free White House function after so many have contracted COVID there. But Trump said it was no big deal (after he got the super-duper extra special five star cocktail), so...
It does hit hardest those with preexisting conditions, but like I have said I have read the data coming out from public health daily enough times, there is almost always some in the 30-49 year old group (that's how they batch ages) with no pre-existings felled by it daily here. And yet people keep insisting on arguing it's not happening. >8)Quote:
The confusing thing to me is that there is a perception (and maybe it's true) that the virus hits those hardest with pre-existing conditions even if they are quite young. Is it really so random as to pick off supposedly healthy people?
Is it super high risk for that group? No, but it's not no risk. It's much lower risk for the under 30 group. If you don't wear a mask when exposed you probably will get a higher viral load and thus a worse case of it, so there is that.
"s it super high risk for that group? No, but it's not no risk. It's much lower risk for the under 30 group. If you don't wear a mask when exposed you probably will get a higher viral load and thus a worse case of it, so there is that."
Viral load seems a key part of how hard you're hit by COVID, all in all.
There doesn’t seem to be any shortage of grave dancing out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
It absolutely is a tragedy. The shameful anti-leadership of Trump has caused countless people to behave like him and put their lives at risk. Every single one of the resulting deaths is a tragedy.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
"It's a hoax"
"It's going to go away like magic"
"I can't recognize you. Is that a mask? No way. Are you wearing a mask? I've never seen her in a mask, Look at you. Oh, she's being very politically correct."
Yes. Children and teens have died also.Quote:
Originally Posted by pinkytoe
Why isn’t California doing better? Haven’t things been pretty much locked down, at least for most people. Is the leadership out there not doing their job?
https://www.latimes.com/california/s...ath-record-442
I was waiting for somebody to mention this.Quote:
Originally Posted by dmc
https://www.ksro.com/2020/12/28/cali...n-the-country/
And it’s per capita
Some parts of California leadership has been good. San Francisco county has had 184 deaths from a population of just under 1m. By far the worst bay area county is Marin at 541 deaths per million. That's certainly far better than the 1,041 deaths per million nationwide, or the rate in a variety of states like ND at 1,885 per million or KS at 955 deaths per million, or SD at 1,777 or Florida at 1,123 per million.
Looking at random countries around the world it's very clear that effective national leadership played/is playing a big role in how this pandemic affected them. And that leadership needs to be at the federal level. When you have millions and millions of people traveling all over the country to kill off their family and friends for the holidays there's only so much local leaders can do to slow the spread. There's simply no other rational explanation for why Sweden has 844 deaths per million but Norway and Finland are at 66 and 101, or Australia at 40.
That is a terrible thing to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
Watched an interesting 60 Minutes episode a few weeks ago. They interviewed an early 40+ year old doctor who was working with people her age or younger who had contracted the virus. These people were called “long haulers”. The interviewer asked her if these symptoms were all in their heads? Her response was “then it is in my head too”. The shocking thing was that from the time this show was filmed to the time it aired, this 40ish doctor died from a heart attack! My point being.. people of all ages are being affected .. not necessarily dying but having continual complications.
It is disgusting that the trump administration knew how deadly this virus was as far back as last January and downplayed it ... hoping for herd immunity??? It sure backfired!
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Originally Posted by LDAHL
No, it's a terrible thing to do, showing disapproval of the practice is the right and proper response.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
Who are you suggesting is doing this? I don’t think anyone here. The only remarks I see are those stating the obvious.... wear a mask and don’t attend large gatherings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Depends what you mean by locked down. Malls open, allegedly with limited capacity but doesn't seem enforced. Non-essential retail open, allegedly with limited capacity but not enforced (truthfully some retail is not doing well enough to exceed capacity anyway - so only for some places is capacity even a actual issue). Grocery stores, open of course, allegedly with capacity restrictions, I have not seen it, been a bit crowded and I go off hours, so capacity restrictions yea I don't know if anyone is enforcing that. Indoor and outdoor dining and bars are closed, some may be operating illegally but that is a clear-cut law and most obey it. Personal services closed, I've seen illegal operations, but again a clear-cut law. Indoor gyms closed but outdoor gyms packed and have tent roofs and chain link fences, probably very little air flow (it's one of those things that no studies have been done on transmission, but that sets off all my spidey senses as being unsafe). Schools, some public schools are closed but many exceptions granted for special needs etc., private schools open. Airports? Wide open.
I think maybe it's just our turn, since just about every part of the country was hit hard at some point. I mean if you look at the areas affected in California it's basically a correlation with poverty. However every part of the country has had their turn. Of course on the off chance it's because we have the more contagious strain then right about now the whole country will. Because people traveled for xmas, the usual empty streets, so if we had more of a worse strain it's coming to a place near you.
I've mentioned it several times as evidence that a mask mandate doesn't stop covid, once in the summer and once recently. I'm not on your Ignore List am I?Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
Lots of conflation between whether a mask mandate stops covid and whether masks stop covid though. These aren't the same claim. Just because masks are mandated doesn't mean people aren't gathering without masks. It doesn't even mean there is enforcement (and you can't enforce every private gathering), it doesn't even mean there has been widespread communication (look yea I know about it, but how much communication going on in multiple languages? I've heard not enough)
So in all likelihood we have no idea how much masking is going on in cases of covid transmission, we simply WON'T have it through contract tracing as contract tracing is almost unbelievably ineffective here (some countries manage but really not happening here), we do have studies on masks blocking particles though. I will continue wearing N95s to protect myself from all the other people who can't wait to infect me at the grocery store or something. Yea you aren't going to.
Concise and fair summary of the pandemic throughout 2020:
https://lifehacker.com/a-timeline-of...020-1845968286
And utterly inaccurate. But you have to consider the source.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
There is no shortage of gloating commentary over this guy’s death. You’d need a blind spot the size of Jupiter to miss it.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
“Yay freedumb”?
I am not the only one who finds covid restrictions unconstitutional.
In Vermont a town is planning to sue the governor:
https://www.vpr.org/post/reporter-de...tions#stream/0
I hope they have better luck than those who filed suit in Massachusetts:
https://www.masslive.com/coronavirus...-pandemic.html
Meanwhile people are so worked up in New Hampshire the governor had to cancel his inaugural address:
https://www.wmur.com/article/chris-s...celed/35097969
I am betting if these 3 Republican governors run for re-election they will all get primaried from the right.
Yeah, as if anyone would be grave dancing. Disparaging comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
That is not gloating but reiterating the guy did not take precautions such as wearing a mask or staying away from large gatherings. He took his cue from the president ... restricting his "freedom". Most people would now agree this was not in his best interest.... or anyone's for that matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
And someday we'll have a pandemic much worse than covid-19 which is not good but not the worst we could have gotten. And maybe someday soon due to a lot of unsustainable factors (climate change etc.). It might be more like the Spanish flu in it's death toll. And those who have sue-ed states if they succeed (but they mostly don't and that's cause for hope) will have dismantled any ability to fight it. Because really they can't think through the impact of laws not just on the present pandemic which may not effect their precious selves, but on the future and possible pandemics that may occur then, some like the Spanish flu which kill not primarily "disposable old people" but young people etc..
One person's gloating is another person's pointing out that stupid behavior begets stupid prizes.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
Yay freedumb is SD and ND not implementing any of the recommended restrictions to keep people safe and ending up with way higher death tolls than everyone in the Republic Party's favorite punching bag state, California.
Yay freedumb is not being outraged at a federal response that was at best ineffective and at worst oftentimes actively harmful towards limiting the spread of this disease.
Yay freedumb is invoking the Defense Production Act not to increase production of PPE or ventilators or anything else to actually help the pandemic, but instead to use it to force meat packing workers to go to work in unsafe conditions.
Yay freedumb is the republican's repeated efforts to insert into every pandemic relief bill an elimination of liability for employers who don't attempt to provide a safe working environment for their employees.
Yay freedumb is finding the federal government's failed response to this pandemic acceptable because one belongs to a political party that believes government never does anything right, and then looking at other people's rightful rage at this and not believing it to be rage but instead joyful gloating. Dead people are nothing to gloat about. But for some of us they are something to be enraged by when those deaths could have been prevented.
Where did you go to law school? Same place you got your medical degree?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej