Nationally about 85.9% of people wear seatbelts.
we still have traffic fatalities.
So obviously seatbelts don’t work.
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Nationally about 85.9% of people wear seatbelts.
we still have traffic fatalities.
So obviously seatbelts don’t work.
I wonder if there are anti-seatbelters who poke holes in them to damage their integrity and ‘stick it to the man!’? They’d probably also get super outraged if some famous person or politician made the news because they got a seatbelt ticket for not wearing one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chicken lady
I live in Florida and the governor announced early on you did not have to be a resident to get the vaccine. My county has a big drive through appointment only site. After taking thousands of appointments they sent texts and emails last night oopsie. The 7,500 appointments this week alone are cancelled. No vaccines came. This is a huge Republican area where Trump held two huge rallies and Pence one. Trump loyalists are all over social media that they feel betrayed and they should get preferential treatment. The benefit of living with a lot of seniors is everyone has those socialist/communist programs of Medicare and Medicaid.
I got my vaccination a few weeks ago. I went to Orlando where they were scheduling in blocks of 20,000-30,000 at a pop and the scheduling was on a difficult to get into and navigate website. Very efficient but it was only car accessible. As we were in line I did not see any people of color except those that were directing traffic or giving vaccines in true southern tradition.
We have had very low virus in our area but post Thanksgiving it started creeping up. Christmas week until after New Years was full of families and friends from up North maskless, super excited about all the restaurants, bars and theme parks being open. Now our hospitals are bulging and deaths are skyrocketing. My friends who have social distanced/masked and spent the holidays alone are not infected that we know of.
so I am meditating/praying for the safety of our medical workers and lawmakers. I just cannot grasp how anyone would not do anything they could to preserve the health and well being of everyone around them.
I posted just about one year ago about how I agreed with Bae, 0ne of the first posters on this matter about how bad this would be.
I am very sad about the discontent and hate I see all around me. About the fact that people actually thought they could overthrow the government. About the people who have suffered and died. But especially about the fact that our country has so many science deniers. Wash your hands, wear a mask, socially distance, eat right, get exercise and if you can, stay away from crowds and people. We are facing a raging pandemic, what scientists have warned us of for years.
Flowerseverywhere I think you hit the nail on the head with the link between holiday travel and surges. Mask wearing rates have been at constant rates where I am and do not explain these recent upticks. Travel does.
Biden's mask mandate will not do anything either. It only applies to Federal land. I can see a corollary to my state, where anyone in public has to wear a mask regardless (though the governor himself does not in his news conferences). So I can foresee a situation where if I am hiking by myself in the backwoods of some national park I will be required to wear a mask. It's the same old failed solutions. There is no vision for new solutions like shutting down passenger air travel (except for medical temps like traveling ICU nurses.) Biden has no vision, his whole message is a return to the past from his programs to his appointees.
I saw more on TV today about how the South African mutant, now also found in Brazil, is much worse than the UK variant. Some countries are banning all travel to and from South America. Meanwhile in his first 100 days in office one thing Biden wants to do is remove travel bans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
That Biden travel ban removal has to do with Trump bans on travel from Muslim countries.
It wasn’t just the travel over thanksgiving and Christmas. It was the unmasked indoor house parties/dinners. Many many people like a friend of mine. He traveled to AZ for new years to visit his favorite aunt/uncle. Fifteen people at an indoor New Years party without masks. Guess how many came down with covid. Yep, all fifteen, all within a day or two of each other.
It turns out countries like South Korea and Japan have low covid deaths not because they are used to wearing masks but because few of their residents are obese:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9612626.html
I was happy to read the UK is going to try to tackle covid by addressing obesity. If we had done this from the beginning people would have had almost a year to lose weight and we could have saved a lot of lives.
Japan
Confirmed Cases
324,942
Deaths
4,261
South Korea
Confirmed Cases
72,340
Deaths
1,249
U.S.
Confirmed Cases
23,758,855
Deaths
395,851
And here is just California
Confirmed Cases
2,959,863
Deaths
33,408
John Hopkins. Any questions? But go on with hating fat people. As if healthier people don't just get long covid instead of dying from it in some cases. WINNING! Although they may differ in how they classify deaths and cases, notice that there is NO CLEAR TREND in deaths per confirmed cases.
Masks: https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10...aff.2020.00818
Successful counties (one of which is mine) that don’t listen to people like Yppej: https://247wallst.com/healthcare-eco...-one-had-died/
I know quite a few people who've had it, quite sadly. Obesity? 1. Most are athletic.Quote:
Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore
Wear a mask. Social Distancing. No crowds. No combining households if everyone hasn't been isolating.
It is so sad that this country cannot get these guidelines through their thick skulls. I never dreamed we'd be in crisis 10 months after this shit started. But "ma rights" come first. Sigh.........................
If everyone who came into contact with smokers got lung cancer at the same rate as the smokers then, yes, they would be hated as much as you hate fat people and masks.
If a disease was spreading that disproportionately killed smokers that could be controlled (theoretically this is a failed state here I realize) through measures like masks and other public health measures, as is clearly shown by countries like South Korea, but wasn't, my first target would not be: the smokers, but the failure to control the spread of the disease. Lung cancer is directly caused by smoking not by a contagious disease that should be controlled by public health measures if public health actually has any meaning At All beyond individual health. If a miracle treatment came out for lung cancer, I wouldn't say, those smokers deserve to die, don't let them have it. But that's what I view failure to control covid as.
But then of course one steps back one step and looks at the social determinants of health, ok with death from covid it's race and poverty which also correlates with obesity but also is an independent risk factor for covid even when that's adjusted for. With smoking maybe the same, but it's clearly adverse childhood experience as well that drives smoking and drug usage, this is clear. It doesn't mean smoking doesn't cause cancer.
Some notes on Coronavirus vaccination in Israel.
About one-fourth of the population of Israel has received at least the first of two doses. The rate of vaccination in Israel is about 8 times greater then the USA, and 50 times the world average. The government's stated goal is to vaccinate the entire population (9.3 million people) by the end of March.
One week after receiving the second dose, Israelis will be issued "green passports", which will enable them to travel abroad, participate in one-time events where they would mingle with people, go into restaurants, and avoid quarantine after exposure to a person infected by the COVID-19 virus. The immunity passport expires after 6 months, but I gather that it will be renewable. Similar immunity passports are under consideration in the UK, Estonia, Italy, and Chile.
Israel has an agreement with Pfizer, a multinational manufacturer of one of the vaccines, to share medical and statistical information about Israelis; and the CEO of Pfizer has promised to speed up deliveries to Israel in the weeks ahead. Coincidentally, Pfizer has told European countries and Canada that they will temporarily reduce deliveries of vaccine. The company said the reduction will be temporary, as their manufacturing plant in Belgium "is scaling up production".
Thank you for posting this! I also live in one of those 80 counties.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
I question the accuracy of that list. My mom's hometown, Greeley County Kansas, is on the list. But reality is that they have had more than twice as many cases as it shows, with roughly 8% of their population having tested positive and probably an equal or greater number who had it but were never tested. Two people have died but for whatever reason Kansas isn't counting them.
Public Health authorities in various parts of the USA have been "in the news" recently, talking about shortages of either vaccine or trained staff to administer inoculation.
North Central Washington State
Ohio
Maine
Northern Michigan
Southwest Florida
Pinal County AZ
Mississippi
Pennsylvania
South Carolina
Iowa
Southern California
New York City
Niagara Falls NY
Paterson NJ
Kansas City
etc.
I did a Bing Search of news articles about "vaccine shortage". Frequently, Public Health Officials are telling the press that people should be patient about waiting to hear when vaccination will be available to them. "Don't panic." "Don't call and ask. We are getting more than 200 calls a day."
They don't get to talk about vaccine shortages when vaccine sits unused, if they have received a certain amount and only administered some fraction of it (less than 30% in Cali), yea nah. There may be some shortage in people to administer it. No Planning At All ...
The IL gov has said that prisoners, regardless of age or health conditions, are going to be prioritized in the next round of vaccinations. People on a mainstream local news/talk station are up in arms about this.
Have prison staff already been vaccinated?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tradd
I tend to agree that people who are all jammed into small areas with no chance of escape--like meat packers--should be vaccinated sooner than, for exanple, I am.
I don’t know if the prison staff have already be vaccinated. Was planning on researching that tonight.
But they are not vaccinating any of the Palestinians in their occupied territories.Quote:
Originally Posted by dado potato
The trolling never ends.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Here is an article by Human Rights Watch about lack of Palestinian vaccination:
https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/01/17/...d-palestinians
No surprise, a woman flying from the UK has brought the UK variant to my state now. Here comes another uptick, but the governor made sure to mandate I wear a mask hiking by myself while doing nothing about air travel. What a loser Charlie Baker is!
ETA To get to Logan Airport you have to go through a tunnel. Close the tunnel and close the subway blue line stop, it is not difficult.
A state cannot regulate international travel.Quote:
while doing nothing about air travel.
The newspaper from Hermann, a small town of 2500, has a column every week listing the known exposures to coronavirus.December 7 at the village market grocery store. December 14 at Hermanoff winery. Etc etc. Small town news at its best.
As far as I can tell, corrections officers and those such as sheriff’s deputies who serve as CO in country jails have NOT been vaccinated yet, per the articles I found. It seems they might be vaccinated in the same distribution phase as the prisoners, but that’s not a given. Staff have priority over prisoners, IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
I saw on the news at the current rollout rate it will take 7 to 8 years to vaccinate the US population. You read that right, years not months. My octogenarian parents cannot get a vaccine. Inmates are getting them instead of people who worked hard, paid taxes, and obeyed the law their whole lives. In over 60 years of driving my father got one speeding ticket and my mother not even that.
There is one giant football stadium set up to be a vaccination center, far from where they live and very intimidating even if/when they will be able to go there. Every city and town has a senior center. The centers have freezers because they serve meals. It should be easy to give vaccines locally.
My parents may not live another 7 to 8 years. I am starting to think maybe I should visit with them indoors, hug them, etc. Think of all the people who didn't visit their parents because nursing homes forbade it and they died anyways. It gives me thought.
Yppej, if you can visit your parents safely, then that would be good.
I guess you guys are the only ones who can figure that out, what is a safe way to be in each other's pod.
My mom is eager to visit, my dad is more cautious. I will probably wait until she brings it up again and then get feedback from everyone.
I would take a day off work to take them to the stadium if they could get in, but it is only for first responders. I tried calling 211 at lunchtime but it goes to the United Way in the county where I work which is not the county they live in and the lines were busy.
Tried calling the IRS multiple times on an unrelated issue and was not even given the option to hold but a recording told me to call back. People are jamming up the lines calling about stimulus payments.
Hoping my 24+ year old furnace holds up as that is the latest item in short supply as manufacturers are short staffed with quarantining employees.
I feel like the whole world is falling to pieces, not to mention rising hunger, child brides, etc in poorer parts of the world. The economic impact is going to dwarf the loss of life. 1/10th of 1 percent of the US population has died but 100% have been impacted economically.
I hope for her parents’ sake that she doesn’t wear a mask with holes punched in it if she does go visit them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tybee
But, wouldn't that be more comfortable?Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Everybody has to do what they have to do with respect to being with family during the pandemic. Sometimes you don't have the greatest choices.
My heart goes out to you on the subject of wanting and needing to be with your parents, Yppej. Good luck with figuring out a safe way to be with your loved ones.
Thank you Tybee. Now that it's winter we have tried parking parallel to each other with the car windows rolled down and talking, but this past weekend there was a biting cold wind and after about 10 minutes my dad couldn't take it anymore. We tried cranking up the heat in the cars but then it is hard to hear each other over the wind plus he is very hard of hearing.
I have not been seeing my brothers either. Everyone in my family can stay home but me. I have to go to work five days a week. This pod idea is fine for those privileged enough to get to work from home, but not for essential workers where face time at the jobsite is mandatory.
Considering Biden’s plan to vaccinate 100 million people in 100 days your parents will most likely get the vaccine soon. Fauci said it’s a challenging task but possible.
Not everyone can get the vaccine at once, oh well, sure the rollout has been somewhat incompetent, but regardless not everyone could get the vaccine at the same time anyway.
I have seen literally noone inside without a mask but bf and it hurts a lot. Other than our moms none of us are going to be vaccinated anytime soon. Wait for single dose vaccines? Well may as well, going to be waiting awhile regardless. Whether you work from home although it's partly about the job, depends in part on whether you have good bosses or not, my bf could work from home as it's basically office work, but has to go to the office (hey working for Trump supporters). Luck of the draw of whatever employers one ended up with before this all started.
I am continuing to read about England in WW2. In Churchill"s first year in office 5,626 children died from German bombs.
In the US as of mid November, the latest data I could find, 133 US children have died of covid:
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...id-19-n1247913
Keep in mind the population is larger now than then, and the US is a much bigger country.
This reinforces my point that the media stirs people up as if covid were the hugest catastrophe ever. It is not. It is an opportunistic infection that in the vast majority of cases kills the elderly and those in poor health.
The bombings also had property damage as well as death.
Covid is real and not a hoax, but the fear it generates is in striking contrast to the strong spirit of bravery the English exhibited. I wonder if many Americans alive today would have pursued peace with Hitler like Quislings.
I agree with you that our resident virus does not present nearly the horrifying limits and destruction to life that .wWII did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
I mean, even here in the U.S. there were restrictions, limiting activities, etc.
I remember some of you being very dismissive when I raised concerns about the global impact of covid - things like rising rates of starvation and people selling their daughters as child brides because they could not feed them. So you must be really angry that Biden has rejoined WHO - the organization that recently said that older people around the world should be vaccinated before younger Americans are. After all, it's all about you and yours, right?