Good news Obamacare gets even better!

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Originally Posted by dmc

Yep, we can always just keep adding to the debt. What could go wrong. Just keep putting things off till after the next election.

Its not going to affect me anymore, I already quit working years ago. I was one of those evil 1% who got tired of putting in all those hours to pay more in taxes than I was spending. I need to look into what other freebies I am entitled to. I am unemployed after all.

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I just love how the whole republican meme of the poor, hard working 1% (who are makers, after all, and not takers), the job creators who really really just need some more tax breaks/perks, that meme is so handily crushed by...the 1%. (completely clueless I might add)
Exhibit 1.

You know, I'm guessing if you dress in rags and maybe rub a little dirt on yourself, the church down the street would give you some nice clothes and a hot meal. Perhaps you can work that angle. You know, free stuff.

I just plan on doing what the Democrat's want. I'll keep my income around 60k and get on the goverment dole. Why worry about the grandkids, they can figure out how to pay for our debt. I'm just another unemployed 56 year old after all.

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Originally Posted by dmc

I just plan on doing what the Democrat's want. I'll keep my income around 60k and get on the goverment dole. Why worry about the grandkids, they can figure out how to pay for our debt. I'm just another unemployed 56 year old after all.

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You know, a long time ago we were asked on this forum to not engage in stereotyping.
I think your statement may be meant to be funny, but it's pretty tiresome to continually hear that Democrats want everyone to be unemployed and live off of government benefits. Really? Because I don't know a single one who doesn't have the same behavioral values that every normal person - Democrat, Republican, Independent, or none of the above - would applaud, including getting a good education, making something of yourself, working hard, saving money for emergencies and retirement, helping your neighbor, etc. etc.

So I would like to see us get back to discussing real solutions to real problems, and stop the silly stereotyping.

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Originally Posted by Lainey

You know, a long time ago we were asked on this forum to not engage in stereotyping.
I think your statement may be meant to be funny, but it's pretty tiresome to continually hear that Democrats want everyone to be unemployed and live off of government benefits. Really? Because I don't know a single one who doesn't have the same behavioral values that every normal person - Democrat, Republican, Independent, or none of the above - would applaud, including getting a good education, making something of yourself, working hard, saving money for emergencies and retirement, helping your neighbor, etc. etc.


So I would like to see us get back to discussing real solutions to real problems, and stop the silly stereotyping.

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I'm just responding to Peggy's comments, I get tired of it also.

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Originally Posted by Alan

. I suppose it would have to require the vast majority of health care providers become government employees (wage slaves), another disincentive to future practitioners.

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Other countries seem to have overcome that hurdle. I know that some Americans hate the idea that other countries have something to teach us, but maybe we could look at how other countries have continued to get people to go into the medical profession despite the horror of being a [gasp] government employee.

Well any 'taking advantage of the system' probably just stems from the flaw of the system not being universal really, it's built in. Whatever you can live with yourself with at any given time I guess, just don't complain when others also game systems, taking out student loans for non-student expenses is one I heard recently (but if one was broke and unable to find work it could be a means of survival and I don't knock survival).

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Really? Because I don't know a single one who doesn't have the same behavioral values that every normal person - Democrat, Republican, Independent, or none of the above - would applaud, including getting a good education

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or don't. I value learning. Just much of "education" is just job training rather than much else. So yes do job training if you need or want the additional income and have reason to believe it is likely to pay off and don't if you don't. It still does statistically pay off in many cases, if you don't go crazy with the debt, just less and less so.

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making something of yourself

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What is something? Career success, parenting, something more esoteric, self-actualization?

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working hard

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work as much as you must to survive if you don't have any better options, but no point in glorifying it. :)

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saving money for emergencies and retirement

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someone posted that the poor don't and instead give their money to the friends and family in need. I could find nothing wrong with that value system, the gift economy existed long before all this (and it's about a network of obligations). It's just perceived as a risky strategy by the middle class (and it probably would be for them if the support structures aren't there!). But is it risky? No the fact they may be poor doesn't prove it's risky, whether it helps in times of financial need or not compared to saving would be some proof (although the benefits of living that way may be greater than that - it's pretty stressful to be poor, maybe that helps).