And there's something wrong with gravitating towards those who understand some of what you have experienced in life? RobQuote:
Originally Posted by bae
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And there's something wrong with gravitating towards those who understand some of what you have experienced in life? RobQuote:
Originally Posted by bae
My neighbors did get an attorney but ended out settling out of court for less than they could have and I think this is why there was very little publicity surrounding this case. The local Hispanic paper La Voz did a piece on it - let me see if I can find it. As for the dates, this was settled in October of 2011 - the incident took place in March of 2010. Ironically enough the only reason I had even stepped outside was to field an interview call for the North Rim of the Grand Canyon for summer seasonal work that year and obviously, I had to excuse myself from the phone and get back to them later. RobQuote:
Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere
Dmc, let's for the sake of argument say I came into a large amout of money through some legal way. Let's say I could afford to move to a nicer area. Let's say that I did. Do you honestly believe that knowing what I know about America and how the lower classes are treated here that I could ever be happy in a "nicer" area? Seriously? Do you honestly believe that getting a moving van and moving to a more affluent zip code could just make years of hard earned knowledge just magically disappear? Wow. Just wow. Well, all I can say is no, life doesn't work this way. I'm not one to look the other way from anything unpleasant life has taught me and I'm not one to smile and act like things are OK when they are not. No can do, I respect human dignity too much. I'm glad - no sarcasm meant - that you are happy with where you live and I'm glad that I am somewhere I feel comfortable and amongst people I can understand. Why can't we both be glad we have found comfort zones? My only issue is that I don't care to have illegal police attacks/assaults going on in my neighborhood. Based on the law that you seem to have such a high regard for, this is after all illegal. Is it too much to ask for that the police behave themselves in accordance with the law, even if I don't live in an affluent area? But at the same time I don't begrudge you your affluent area - I just realize I'd never fit in there as I have learned too much about America to ever fit in in such a place. That doesn't mean though that I hold it against you that you live in such an area and enjoy it - more power to you. OTOH, I'd like to believe I'm worth the basic human right to not live in fear of police brutality in my neighborhood much as you don't live in fear of it in yours. Are we not created equal in the words of your government? RobQuote:
Originally Posted by dmc
Yes, seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
I know you don't particularly care about facts, but I have mountains of charts, graphs, incident reports down at the station, and so on. Violence against first responders is a major and growing problem these days. Some departments are issuing bulletproof vests to firefighters and EMTs, which is sort of daft if you think about the heat stress a firefighter is already operating under.
We're developing new training and protocols to deal with the situation.
http://www.firehouse.com/news/108615...-from-violence
Google it, firefighters being shot at while responding to calls happens. Their job is dangers enough without being shot at. Probably happens more often than white cops shoot innocent black kids. But like black folks killing innocent white folks it doesn't cause looting and riots.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
rob is not concerned with facts, he became aware at 13.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
I never said that the police have a right to do anything illegal. But I do give them the benefit of the dought with what they have to deal with.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
And your correct, you would not fit in here. And I would have no desire to live where you do. I do have a hard time understanding why anyone would want to live in the poor parts of town thou. But wow, just wow, sometimes you come across as a drama queen.
Makes one wonder why people have such suspicion about first responders. I'd agree that it's misplaced with regard to EMTs and firefighters. But I've read enough about bad cop actions and changes in procedure at the management level (stop and frisk policies that target neighborhoods like Rob's for example) that I can see why people in lower economic neighborhoods don't trust cops. People with curiosity as to whether this actually happens might want to read Matt Taibbi's "The Divide" to get an idea of how policing is done these days in poorer urban neighborhoods.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
I think in Failed America, everyone in a uniform of whatever sort is viewed as The Man.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
We've been recently having more incidents of the type "fake medical call, or arson event, designed to draw in responders to be shot at" - I think they took this playbook right out of the Middle East.
I would love to read the account of the story. It might shed some light as to why you feel so strongly. I can find no mention. If it was big enough to warrant a settlement there has to be something published somewhere. Surely you must be able to point me to a story since you have names, neighborhoods and dates. In English. This is America and I only speak French and English, but even in Spanish I could get the gist of the story.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
but I have an interesting story. In NY I lived in a very nice middle class development. One day a coworker and I went to the house of another coworker and we knew something was wrong, she was supposed to meet us for lunch and her car was in the garage. A neighbor saw us and had a key. We went I and she had attempted suicide. So we called 911 and the parMedics arrived first. They could not enter until the police arrived. It was policy. They arrived a minute later and entered with guns drawn. After she was of stabilized we were interviewed by the police. At the time we were appalled but they explained there had been so many paramedics and first responders injured for any type of odd situation the police had to go in first. Our friend survived but it was one of those crazy aha moments for me. You can't save anyone if you are dead and they had to take their safety into consideration.