After al the evidence seen thus far and Moscow mitch’s public statement that he will rig the process you think republicans will come out of this looking good to anyone who has ever pulled the voting lever for a non republican? Really?
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After al the evidence seen thus far and Moscow mitch’s public statement that he will rig the process you think republicans will come out of this looking good to anyone who has ever pulled the voting lever for a non republican? Really?
It's too bad they can't negotiate with McConnell to expedite the impeachment paperwork when he gets some of the nearly 300 (mostly non-partisan) bills sent over by the house voted on. (I'm happy to see Amy McGrath polling so well. Hope she wipes the floor with him.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
Yes I do. You and I are pretty much partisans, but we're not the majority. Independents and moderates see what's happening and I'll bet they're keeping score. I'll also bet my side wins the day this time because your side can't do subtle.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
It has pretty much confirmed my belief that I am unlikely to ever vote for either party’s candidates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Time will tell but if moderates are persuadable I think the republicans had better come up with a better argument than hurry up so we can reach our predetermined conclusion before any new evidence might be learned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
I also wonder if moderates care about the delay. They didn’t seem to be bothered by the delay of metrics garland for blatantly partisan purposes.
I think the delay is immaterial, it's the perceived reason for the delay.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Moderates don’t want the senate to do a legitimate impeachment trial instead of a hack job acquittal?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
No, the delay is because the Senate will do a fairly quick acquittal on the charges just as it did for Clinton in 1999 and then it's over, they're a political entity and we'd be foolish to expect more of them. I believe the goal is to draw this out while putting out as much anti-McConnell, anti-Republican, rhetoric as possible so that after the acquittal people not paying attention will turn the Senate over to the Democrats in November. That's where I believe the Democrats are wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
I also believe that if Trump wins the next election, as I'm afraid he will, the Democrats will make history by impeaching him again.
I think the flaw in your thinking is assuming that moderates will just accept that the senate is willing to act so blatantly partisan for no other reason than partisanship. I think bae's frustration with both parties probably exemplifies the moderates thoughts more accurately. And in that case if they are going to be swayed at all it will be by the party that better justifies the reasons for their current actions.
Democrats have been searching for any reason to impeach for the past 3 years. During tonight's debate Tom Steyer bragged that he's been using his time and resources to promote impeachment for the past two years. It sounds to many people the Democrats have just recently found a possible basis for their coup and are running with it, so I think you're right, someone's gonna have to justify their actions and make a convincing case for why it's not their new normal.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1