Since it's all private businesses that seem to care, perhaps this is a sign that capitalism is a tool of the devil? :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
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Since it's all private businesses that seem to care, perhaps this is a sign that capitalism is a tool of the devil? :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
When I got my vaccine another recipient was asking, "Should I laminate my card?" The person was told "No. There are spots for booster shots. Also you don't need to carry your card around. I am entering your information in the Federal database. That's what matters. Anyone can buy a counterfeit card on the internet."
As others have said working for the government requires a fairly extensive background check. I have had at least two. They even came and interviewed my husband which was pretty funny. Took months. I have a passport, Global Entry, etc. Adding a vaccine part to it is fine with me if it allows me to travel outside the US. Or even to use some inside the US facilities.
Privacy? Give me a break. If you use a computer, you have no privacy. Family DNA will track you down.
We got Federal, state and local background checks for every adoption. Have also had them done for the military and various jobs. Thing is, if you have and use a cell phone, your info is "out there". LOL.
I think there are times government is justified in asking for and maintaining data, and times when it is not. I personally don’t see the necessity of signing up for a new bio-surveillance regime. I don’t buy the Facebook panopticon theory or the omniscient deep state theory, so I don’t think it’s a waste of time standing up for privacy rights.
Nor am I convinced that most businesses will soon be turning away custom from people not in some medical apartheid database, so I don’t think that particular threat carries much weight.
My assessment of the risks and benefits of some new surveillance system is that it simply isn’t justified. So I won’t be herded into that particular pen.
Just found a place closer to home (in MA) for my second dose (previously scheduled in NH) and during the signup process I was asked if I consent to share my information with my state "which is required by your state". No choice there.
Where does the "surveillance" come into this system, if they are simply issuing a verifiable proof of vaccination?Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
I also wonder how many people signed up for their vaccine through some sort of government web site like myturn.ca.gov as I did. The state obviously already knows that I had my vaccine. The worry that somehow the state issuing vaccine passports will result in nefarious use of the knowledge of who is vaccinated is only possible if by nefarious one means "people can't easily lie and say they had it if they didn't."
I don't know if was myturn but many vaccine sign ups seemed to be routed through a state website (directly to their webpage, I'm not implying anything remotely hidden)Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Schools do this all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
Wonder if insurance companies will charge less for those vaccinated? There are ramifications, if not.
Husband's info got hacked because of gov. My info has been also because of background checks. Gov is paying for credit monitoring for both of us. Interestingly, when we travel many times are assigned to pre-check and just slide right through. Is it because we travelled frequently or because of the background checks????Quote:
Originally Posted by sweetana3
Airlines can assign you to precheck just because. We get it for business/first class. However, one time Precheck was slower than regular lines. A strange occurrence. Had to use handicapped once due to knee damage and walker use. Best transport thru airport ever.
More people are arguing for ditching the masks, but the dictators refuse to give up their fearmongering and control freakishness:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewals...h=1afda0207f08
I am growing to especially despise Rachelle Walensky, who seems to wish we lived in a big brother surveillance state.
Masks would seem the opposite of a surveillance state. Otherwise why do bank robbers wear them?
I emailed the governor's constituent services line and selected the option to report someone for violating covid guidelines. I then reported that the governor is not and throughout the pandemic has not been wearing his mask at news conferences including ones held indoors. I said that being the case masks aren't that important, and that I know he doesn't care what ordinary people think, but he could at least listen to Scott Gottlieb and look across the state line at New Hampshire where the sky is not falling, and dump the mask mandate.
On the webpage where you go to submit your tattling there is a picture of the governor at a news conference, surrounded by people wearing masks, but not wearing one himself. It is indoors. Here is the link:
https://www.mass.gov/orgs/office-of-the-governor
Do you have the time/energy to accomplish anything other than raging at the world about masks? Surely there must be a better hobby for you somewhere.
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Walensky seems disappointed that there is no easy way to surveil citizens to see if they are vaccinated, so she wants to mandate masks for vaccinated people although no one seriously believes there is any medical benefit. I wonder if she would like a big scarlet letter U for unvaccinated on people's foreheads.Quote:
Originally Posted by rosarugosa
If getting the J&J vaccine which is 66% effective means you are fully vaccinated, then the people who got one dose of Pfizer and Moderna at 87% effectiveness are also de facto fully vaccinated, even though they haven't got their second dose to get them up to 95%. None of these people should be forced to wear masks. It is stupid and sends the message that vaccines don't work.
Last time you expressed this same idea, I thought the resolve was that the markings would be "NV" - not vaccinated. Hmmm... nobody seems to be taking you up on the idea, though. Maybe go find the tattling website to submit an occurrence of ignoring constituent suggestions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Mask mandates in indoor public places should continue until all who want a vaccine have one. But this implies not just availability of a second shot to all over 16 at least, but a few months of hard outreach to those for whom it is hard to get the vaccine (those without internet access, without a car, without the ability to take time off work or go out of their way for a shot). That does not mean converting those against vaccines. It means making vaccines readily available. As for offices or something well it's a much more limited demographic, so everything that applies to the broad broad demographic of the general public may not apply, employers could offer vaccinations at work to any who have not received them, and sure masks mandates could be dropped.
Maybe we should go with FO- for fauci ouchie negative. Then if they change their mind and get it they could simply turn the negative into a plus.Quote:
Originally Posted by happystuff
Biden ran on 100 days of masking "to get the virus under control". Did he stop at 100 days when the virus was no longer out of control? No, he extended the mandate including standing outdoors on the deck of a ship until September 13th. He is a typical lying politician. I will not be taking the ferry to Block Island this summer.
I never thought I'd say this but I'm almost missing the days of talking endlessly about the student loan forgiveness program. :|(Quote:
Do you have the time/energy to accomplish anything other than raging at the world about masks? Surely there must be a better hobby for you somewhere.
Did it ever occur to you that he's operating under advice from the CDC, Dr. Fauci, and others on this matter? Trying to reverse our horrendous statistics and bring an end to this plague? Probably not. He's probably just "lying" to annoy you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
When our Massachusetts governor is following CDC guidance, that's called "being a dictator".Quote:
Did it ever occur to you that he's operating under advice from the CDC
A lot of governors are getting grief for trying to save their citizens--a thankless task for sure.
The CDC said you don't need to wear masks outdoors if you can socially distance, but I can be on the deck of a ship with no overhang more than 6 feet away from others and I still have to wear a mask under Biden's Coast Guard regulations. Biden is also telling us we'll be in good shape by the Fourth of July but he extended this particular Federal mask mandate until the middle of September. I knew he was a hypocrite when Mr. Mask didn't wear one when he hugged people indoors who were not members of his household the night he won the election. I am glad I did not vote for him. I didn't vote for Trump either, but I bet with the majority of adults now vaccinated (half of a Pfizer or Moderna vaccine being more efficacious than a J&J vaccine) that we would now be back to normal instead of getting vaccinated for nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
Your wish is my command.Quote:
Originally Posted by herbgeek
ROFLOL! Quick, herbgeek - make more wishes!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
I remember when I posted about my mother with dementia walking places and people told me you can't save someone, they have the right to live the way they want.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
The governor of Minnesota acknowledged this by stating masks mandates will go away when 70% of people are vaccinated but regardless of vaccination rates by July 1st. If people don't want to get the vaccine those who do should not suffer forever, certainly not until mid September.
The mask fanatics are really grasping at straws. The latest I heard on the news today is that now, in May, we have to wear masks because there is a chance that there might be a surge in the winter. Dumb dumb dumb dumb.
I see the anti-mask fanatics are STILL grasping at straws with the same old selfish whining behaviors. dumb dumb dumb dumbQuote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Your continued beliefs in false narratives is becoming admirable. I recommend reading science not conspiracy theories and hoax loving anti-maskers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Which is very different from having the right to KILL others!Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
So given the fact in Connecticut 70% of people have one dose of the vaccine
And given that a first dose of Moderna and Pfizer is more effective than the J&J vaccine
Therefore given that Connecticut has achieved herd immunity
Why the hell is their mask mandate still in place?
Dumb dumb dumb dumb.
You refuse to listen, read or research. I refuse to repeat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Try reading what the vaccines actually DO for the individuals who get them! THAT is why the mask mandates are still in place. You and the repeated use of the word "dumb" is very appropriate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
There is a new breed of science denying anti-vaxxer out there. They aren't against getting the vaccine, they just think it doesn't work and doesn't produce herd immunity and that we should wear masks forever (we used loosely, these are some of the governors who don't wear masks so they look good on TV, and ordinary people who socialized maskless with those outside their household at the height of the pandemic by invoking the word pod).
Walensky is one of these and Fauci has started hinting her position is off base.
My prediction is Biden will want a political win and Fauci will prevail over Walensky. I sure hope so.
The seven day average case count in Connecticut is 498 new infections per day. How exactly is that herd immunity?
Right? With an average daily US death rate of just 667, herd immunity has certainly arrived:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1