2020 Presidential Candidates

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Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore

1) it will raise your taxes taken out of your paycheck, but you won't have to pay premiums which are also taken out of your paycheck
2) you won't have to worry about not having health coverage, finding out your insurance doesn't pay for that (sometimes as a surprise), not being able to see a specialist, or going broke due to healthcare expenses (even if you have insurance), staying at a job purely for the healthcare, losing a job and losing healthcare (not that there aren't other non-healthcare concerns in that circumstance)

gee, let me think about it.

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Exactly. As someone on Medicare, I pay WAY WAY less (540/mo vs 1700/mo), and I get WAY WAY more. I do pay for supplemental (Medigap) but it's amazing. No copay, no deductible, DH goes to the doctor, walks in and walks out, and we get no bills on the back end.

PLUS, once we pull in the healthier, younger members of the population, the savings will be even more.

Come on, people. Why are we choosing layers and layers of middlemen, security based on golden handcuffs to a job you might hate, and prices that are driven by behind-closed-doors negotiations between people who are not paying out of their own pockets, but are looking only to profit from the negotiations??

Seems like a easy choice to me.

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Originally Posted by catherine

Exactly. As someone on Medicare, I pay WAY WAY less (540/mo vs 1700/mo), and I get WAY WAY more. I do pay for supplemental (Medigap) but it's amazing. No copay, no deductible, DH goes to the doctor, walks in and walks out, and we get no bills on the back end.

PLUS, once we pull in the healthier, younger members of the population, the savings will be even more.

Come on, people. Why are we choosing layers and layers of middlemen, security based on golden handcuffs to a job you might hate, and prices that are driven by behind-closed-doors negotiations between people who are not paying out of their own pockets, but are looking only to profit from the negotiations??

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Aint the free shit from the government grand?

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Originally Posted by Teacher Terry

Seems like a easy choice to me.

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Do you have inside knowledge on how much your federal income and payroll taxes will increase to pay the $3T or so per year it will cost. I haven't found anyone yet willing to tell us. Senator Warren asks us to let her be clear, yet she doesn't mean it.

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Originally Posted by iris lilies

Aint the free shit from the government grand?

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It wouldn't be free. We would pay in taxes, but the endgame wouldn't be profit--it would be service to the citizens.

I now pay 12k/ year for HI. I doubt it’s more than that.

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Originally Posted by iris lilies

Aint the free shit from the government grand?

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I've never understood how getting some return on the taxes we all pay--one way or the other--translates to "free shit," but I've always resented the waste and fraud that permeates the military-industrial complex, that we all pay for, whether we countenance war or not. Civilized countries all over the world provide health care and educations for their citizens, considering it an investment. We, apparently, would rather give money to people who don't need or deserve it--"free shit," if you will.

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Originally Posted by Alan

Do you have inside knowledge on how much your federal income and payroll taxes will increase to pay the $3T or so per year it will cost. I haven't found anyone yet willing to tell us. Senator Warren asks us to let her be clear, yet she doesn't mean it.

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I doubt taxes for the vast majority of the citizenry will increase much, if we re-institute progressive tax rates.

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Originally Posted by JaneV2.0

I doubt taxes for the vast majority of the citizenry will increase much, if we re-institute progressive tax rates.

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Really? I think we'll double federal expenditures on the medicare for all promise and I have no idea how much free college, universal basic income and other promises will cost. None of it seems feasible to me without significant increases across the board. Bernie is the only one so far I've heard admit to that.

They won't get all they say they will done realistically, but the U.S. does have the most expensive healthcare system in the world, so every other major economy has figured out how to spend less and cover more people. It's like we have no idea what we are doing. And most of the countries have far more real fiscal constraints than the U.S., which realistically has far fewer. And yet they make healthcare work. Maybe they are just vastly better run.

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universal basic income

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there is literally only a single candidate out of 12, polling 3%, running on this I think (or does Gabbard support also?) and they have a plan to pay for it via a VAT.