Why does that matter to you, why not leave now?Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
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Why does that matter to you, why not leave now?Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
Hi Iris Lilly! Let me clarify if I may - I'm not talking about myself here - I'm talking about people in general who may not have thought along these lines before. Or maybe they have. I am talking of those who would be negatively impacted were the Paul Ryan budget for Medicare to be implemented. Certainly under this scenario, there would be a least some vocalizing it may be best to part ways with the US.....And I'm not talking of wealthy people like the co-founder of Facebook fleeing to Singapore, I'm talking average struggling people thinking it may be best to leave to hold on to what they have.....RobQuote:
Originally Posted by Iris lily
Rob - your theory is that other countries will gladly open their arms to fleeing Americans intending to sponge off their superior national healthcare systems? I've looked into moving to quite a few of these countries, they aren't all that keen if you can't pay the freight.
Us "rich" people of course are not allowed to leave the USA *now*, without paying punitive taxes to the Federal government. Sort of tells you how the government sees the whole citizen vs. subject issue these days, eh?
I've been thinking the same thing, but I wish those who want to be the guinea pigs well in their experiment. I don't envision a large movement of Americans moving to countries and not working. That's the key, getting work.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Bae, FWIW, I'm not talking of sponging off any other country. Please let me give you an example. My mother used to date a man who has a small military pension from being with the National Guard a number of years and a small social security check. He is now 64, and found himself at the age of 62 being priced out of the United States. So he fled to Cambodia - quite radical on the surface but it's apparently quite easy to be there legally long term AND GET THIS - he recently paid cash for a hernia operation - $800....yes that's not a typo. For myself I am thinking more along the lines of Uruguay or Chile or Argentina. All three have permanent residency options that are easy to achieve - though this can change, I will give you that - and all three have much less expensive health care than in the US - though not quite as cheap as Cambodia. So that gives you some general idea of what I am getting at.....RobQuote:
Originally Posted by bae
I am not even talking of giving up the passport, or even the citizenship per se, just getting off the soil. And if I had to pay punitive taxes to do so, with my laughable asset base, I would be coming out ahead the first time I got sick - assuming ObamaCare is not all it's cracked up to be? Really for people in my financial situation, leaving could be the very best thing, as it has been for my mother's ex boyfriend.....He did keep the passport and the citizenship BTW. RobQuote:
Originally Posted by bae
I think you are barking up the right tree there, in truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
Thanks Bae....I appreciate that. I have been researching this for a number of years. I'm not just disgruntled and posting to vent, I have been thinking for a number of years that life in the US in many ways is unsustainable. So I have been looking into options for the future.....RobQuote:
Originally Posted by bae
The biggest problem with Ryan as VP candidate is that because Romney has refused to define his own position on the reforming entitlements to balance the budget, Ryan's budget became Romney's de facto budget when he chose Ryan.
Had Romney presented a plan for a budget, tax cuts/revenue and budget cuts early and specifically, the media could have examined it, questioned him on it and so when Ryan was appointed The Ryan Plan would have been moot because the only important plan would have been the one belonging to the guy at the top of the ticket.
Instead the guy at the top of the ticket has stated that he wholly endorses Ryan's plan and not presented his own. So, when Ryan's plan pushes Granny off a cliff, everyone knows that would happen with Romney as president because Romney's plan is Ryan's plan.
He and his camp really poorly planned this one.
I think if one is young working for a country that is likely to have retirement benefits is a rational choice compared to working for one that may dump them at any minute (probably after you've already paid into them your whole life ...). It's better to get out young and start paying into a different system in a country that believes in taking care of old people. But people get tied down to places and thus make decisions on less rational economic and more emotional human factors. And so they don't. I think that a young person weighing the full factors may very well see the better life (including the possibility of retirement in old age) is elsewhere. Of course that's based on so many assumptions of other things staying the same. Let climate change get bad enough and none of this matters. And so there's so many shadows in the future, like climate change, to pop up like specks in eye and cloud all vision of the long term future. As in: yes, if we're not all toast by then, then I'll be glad to have a government check in my old age ... (and I'll be twice as glad that we aren't all toast by then!)