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I never understand why the label is such an issue with either side of this debate. Substitute your word of choice for "someone." Some will use the label "baby" you will use "cell mass" whatever, I don't care.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
[substitute your word here] loses when the human adult has an abortion.
The pregnant woman, who loses sleep, time, peace of mind, and status among certain segments of society?
How can a cell mass that has nothing, lose anything? Embryos are lost in impressive numbers just as a matter of course in human reproduction. They're little bundles of human potential, similar to sperm and egg cells. If they're planned, wanted, and anticipated, and something goes wrong--that's a loss for the pregnant woman and family.
You answered when you said [the cell mass] lost [it's] potential to become human. The cell mass has that.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
The fact that impressive numbers of other cell masses disappear spontaneously doesn't make it no loss.
I wish the sperm that had my father's black hair and blue eyes had been a stronger swimmer, personally. And I might have liked a twin...
That is a striking color combo and as such is genetically unusual. I'd like that, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
100% German heritage. So much for the blond Aryan thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I sure have seen a lot of ... human potential ... go down the drain in my day.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
Hope the repubs don't try to charge me with murder someday. More like genocide!
Or a crime against humanity even. Just imagine all the little Bartlebys who might have been but never were ...
Well, criminal charges seem unlikely and the good news is you won't go blind either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartleby
I do acknowledge that a potential human is 'lost' in an abortion. Just as potential humans are 'lost' each month by a woman's natural cycle, or ..uh..bartleby's 'fun time'. But like Jane, I see these not as really people, just potential people. Just like the embryo we FREEZE, then thaw and place in some women. Now, unless Dr. Evil has perfected the method, I don't believe we have the capability to actually FREEZE PEOPLE and then thaw them back to life yet, do we? Doesn't that kind of answer to the 'but it's a little baby' argument? It's potential baby, but with cloning, any cell scraping is a potential baby.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I'm really not trying to make light of abortion. It is very serious, and I'm sure most women spend agonizing time deciding this. Especially those who must abort due to health reasons. But this law is intrusive on this very private decision and it's incredibly insulting beyond the pale. These women know what's inside of them, and what that means to their lives, which is why they are seeking an abortion. Abortion is safe and it's legal. And it should be private.
This unbelievably intrusive control over women this legislature is grabbing has absolutely nothing to do with the woman's health or medical needs, but everything to do with enforcing a religious dogma, and can only be described as Taliban like.
I can't believe any woman, or man who loves and respects women, could look at this bit of legislation, and not be horrified by the implications!
Peggy, I agree and you stated it well.