Give her my best wishes as well, please.Quote:
Originally Posted by happystuff
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Give her my best wishes as well, please.Quote:
Originally Posted by happystuff
And my best wishes, as well.
Yes, I do too. I sure miss her posts here. RobQuote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
One of my bil's (lives in CA) just got diagnosed. It is presumed to be Delta for several reasons, but no idea as to how he got it, etc. He is vaccinated. My sister tested negative so they are living in separate areas of the house until it is safe for her. Other details, but not for sharing here. Just that it really is true that the Delta variant is EASY to catch and pass on to others especially when not taking any of the easy precautions!
It's almost certainly Delta (95%-ish), it has driven out most other variants in the USA, as it spreads so aggressively.Quote:
Originally Posted by happystuff
We had a social event here a few weeks ago, all people were vaccinated, or claimed to be. One person had Delta, and was unvaccinated. About a dozen new infections resulted from the gathering, many of them in vaccinated people. The several other unvaccinated people who were at the gathering, who had fibbed about their vaccination status, also got infected. This is the largest case cluster we've had here since the pandemic began.
This new stuff spreads like chicken pox. Beware.
People are now lying and saying they weren't vaccinated so they can get another dose, choosing to give themselves boosters.
Karen, is that you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Here is an article on multi-vaxxers:
https://www.businessinsider.com/muli...variant-2021-8
Crap.... And here is me living in Lewis County... Where most of the population still is convinced that Covid is a hoax. I went unmasked one day, to the feed store . Next day, I have gone back to masking .Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Is someone somewhere doing something they haven't been given permission to do?
The states ability to keep track of vaccines administered and to whom, seems not so great to begin with (this would also be a problem for vaccine passports), and if vaccines are expiring and being thrown out anyway because unvaxed people are refusing them, why not I guess, except there's not really much evidence a 3rd shot is needed with mRNA at least. But ... but ... they shold be going to other countries. Yes, but that's beyond the ability of anyone getting a first or a 3rd vaccine to influence. Anymore than eating my broccoli is going to save the starving children.
On the mainland within 5-6 miles of the ferry dock last week, I observed multiple locations with walk-in, no-appointment-needed, vaccination services advertised with big banners and such.Quote:
Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore
There at least in this region appears to be a surplus of vaccines, and plenty of people who won't take them.
There were people who lied or would have if they needed to in order to get initial vaccines. (We had one here.) So it shouldn't be surprising the same will happen with boosters.
We are having a serious discussion in our infectious disease control team here about getting boosters ASAP. We were all inoculated basically the first day of availability when the vaccines rolled out, our team's median age is 58, and there is credible data that shows that immune response drops off over time from the vaccination, especially in the older folks. We've been vaccinated for long enough to experience the drop, and are in the age range of concern.
Our community is experiencing our worst outbreak of the entire pandemic starting just a few weeks ago.
An interesting article about how the opposite of vaccine liars helped alert the CDC to the Provincetown situation much quicker than they would have otherwise figured things out. And it didn’t turn into a mass spreader event.
TLDR: Decades of gay men having to take personal responsibility for their health and that of their sexual partners leading to the free sharing of personal health info resulted in a rapid collection of data about who got infected and who they had been in contact with in Provincetown.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...hiMa9IJrfeceMo
My sister said that they are working on a booster that specifically targets Delta but yes I have heard of people getting a third shot.
We are keeping up with Austin Covid news since we lived there for so many years. They have close to 200 ICU cases today. ER's are packed. Mask mandates are being enacted even though the governor is trying to ban them. What's different is that even though there are many cases showing up, hospital stays are shorter and there are much fewer deaths than last time. At least that is what medical staff are saying. Personally, I keep hearing about vaccinated people getting sick here and there, ie breakthrough cases, but media makes it sound like it is only a tiny amount percentage wise.
Locally our first vaccinated person died but was in his 80’s.
I'm more concerned about people claiming they were vaccinated when they were not, and obtaining fake vaccination cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Yikes! I have friends heading your way--fully vaccinated, but I'll pass that along...Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Our tenant's girlfriend - a woman who is from Nogales, Mexico interestingly enough - just lost her 30 year old cousin to the Coronavirus - don't know if the Delta variant or not - in Ciudad Obregon, Mexico. Tragic - so young. Rob
My bf got the two shot Pfizer vaccine. He tried to get a vaccination passport and the state only thinks he got one shot. And he signed up through the state website for the shots.
Now one can fight the bureaucracy I guess (do we spend way too much of our lives fighting bureaucracies), because as proof there are also the cards one got at vaccination, there is maybe the record from health insurance, maybe (who wants to deal with them either). Or what the hey there is just getting a 3rd shot, though I think J&J makes more sense to mix it up in that case.
There is the record from the insurance company maybe, but that may well be coded wrong as they think I owe money on MY covid shot :laff: Does anyone really know how many covid shots anyone has, does anybody really care? But people should get vaccinated nontheless.
A job I could not do - manufacturer's rep. You have to go visit and schmooze with customers and butter them up. One came in today and was sitting and agreeing with all the boss's conspiracy theories, including that viruses don't circulate naturally in the summer because all the vitamin D from the sun kills them, so they must be introduced artificially - therefore the current outbreaks of covid are due to people getting vaccinated. Never mind that there is no live virus in the vaccines.
DD just called me and three of her vaccinated friends have symptomatic Covid. One of them has a child in the same daycare so naturally she is quite alarmed.
If what public health "experts" say is true, that existing vaccines protect against the Delta variant, maybe there is another yet to be identified and/or publicized variant out there that is infecting and sickening vaccinated people.
If the mRNA vaccines are 90-95% effective against symptomatic covid, that 5-10% of the people vaccinated that get it anyways is still a lot of people. You don't need a theory of another variant to explain this.Quote:
that existing vaccines protect against the Delta varian
PT, really hoping that they all will come through fine.
Why the use of "snark quotes" around the word "experts"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
What are your public health credentials? Where do you practice, and in what fields? What papers have you published, or refereed? What journals do you edit?
Google U?
From tonight's news - the average age of a vaccinated person with a breakthrough case is 82.5. The percent having an underlying medical condition is 73%. Covid is believed to weakened these folks letting opportunistic infections kill them. Covid is not the cause of death (though you better believe it will be listed as such to be politically correct - my commentary is in parentheses, the rest is from the news, ABC affiliate).
These are the types of folks the FDA will now be letting get booster shots, but watch and you will see people say they smoke or have other conditions to try to get boosters.
Meanwhile let's hope those of us not in this demographic don't once again have a bunch of our civil rights taken away when we are not at risk from covid.
#IDidn'tGetVaccinatedForNothing
Ay carumba this is alarming! I was so hoping that we as a nation were on the downslope of covid and that maybe some vaccines could go from the first world to the third world so as to block this virus from more mutations. Now I'm thinking we may end out repeating those strange days at the beginning of the pandemic.Quote:
Originally Posted by pinkytoe
Wishing your DD's friends quick recoveries. Rob
Update on bil is that he had antibody infusion and is doing better. Still having symptoms, but now more "cold-like". Just really tired. He and sister are still isolating from each other.
Happy, glad your BIL is doing better. I decided not to go to my dining group for awhile. Seems not worth the risk.
Thanks, TT.
wait…what? I have not heard that interesting theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Only we had a surge last summer, so here the conspiracy theorist's are "it's seasonal, it's always surging in the summer", well yes, and the winter, maybe when people are indoors and gathering (due to heat or holidays)
Here is a study on covid deaths in children:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01897-w
In addition to obesity it mentions other factors. For instance, half of all deaths occurred in children with complex multi disabilities such as those requiring tubes for breathing or eating. I would not hesitate to attend a birthday party for a healthy 4 year old.
You would have to actually put a gun to my head to get me to attend a 4-year-old's birthday party! :laff:Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Studies from pre-delta times are somewhat irrelevant at this point. But by all means feel free to continue to ignore the stories about jam packed pediatric hospitals in states like Texas since you have obviously pivoted from ‘old people who were about to die anyway’ to your new fixation of ‘children getting it doesn’t matter’.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
From the article it's children with such severe illnesses they would die anyway so I am still on the die anyway theme. These are people who would not have lived past infancy in years past but are now kept artificially alive with machines and tubes. If not covid some other opportunistic infection would have killed them eventually long before they reached a normal lifespan.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
There is an idea that due to modern medicine no one should have to die before 90 or 100 or something. It's fed by bogus "science". For example, you use increasingly aggressive diagnostic tests, some using radiation that itself can induce cancer, to screen for cancer. You therefore find cancer earlier than you would have otherwise and treat it. The person reaches the 5 mile mark and they are a survivor, a success story. But they die 7 years later when the cancer comes back.
So diagnose in year 1 and live to year 7 you "beat cancer".
Diagnose in the old days in year 4 and you live to year 7 it's only three years so you "succumbed to cancer" or "lost your battle against cancer".
But in reality you died at the same time, it's only twisted statistics that try to differentiate.
Well you have these "covid deaths" in people who if they didn't have covid would have died of the seasonal flu at median age 82.7 or as a child with precarious health. Is covid really a dangerous pandemic, or just the straw that broke an already severely fractured camel's back?
If covid kills off a lot of the people who would have died anyways in the near future our mortality statistics should plummet in the first few years post-pandemic, because the people who would have died in the next few years already did.
I felt the same way even when the 4 year old was mine!! :laff:Quote:
Originally Posted by rosarugosa