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10-28-19, 2:55pm
rosarugosa

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Originally Posted by LDAHL

I think one of our biggest contemporary problems is a sort of binary good/evil view of the world that only allows for two tribes. There seems to be a visceral need to demonize the other side, as well as purge your own ranks of heretics of the RINO or Republican-lite variety. This way of thinking makes it impossible to accept any goodwill on the part of the opposition. It permits no appreciation of the ideas of the other side, it only has enough intellectual heft to impugn character and motives.

I think Bernie is an honorable, even an admirable guy who happens to espouse some truly terrible ideas. I think Trump is a truly despicable guy who has gotten a few things right. I don’t believe in the sort of guilt by association thinking that I’ve heard referred to as “the politics of cooties”.

Yes, the real world is seldom so black and white. This binary good/evil thinking makes me despair of ever seeing the kind of cooperative attitude that is necessary to getting things done.
10-28-19, 2:57pm
rosarugosa

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Originally Posted by iris lilies

Ah, I guess we are “good conservatives” like good Negroes of the past.

I do not hate everything Trump does so in a black-and-white world that might make me a Trump supporter. I don’t know, frugal-one, care to weigh in?

IL: I didn't say you were good, just sane, lol. :laff:
Trump has done some things that were OK in my book too, but you know what they say about the broken clock.
10-28-19, 3:05pm
iris lilies

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Originally Posted by rosarugosa

IL: I didn't say you were good, just sane, lol. :laff:
Trump has done some things that were OK in my book too, but you know what they say about the broken clock.

Haha, ok!
10-28-19, 4:05pm
LDAHL

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Originally Posted by rosarugosa

Yes, the real world is seldom so black and white. This binary good/evil thinking makes me despair of ever seeing the kind of cooperative attitude that is necessary to getting things done.

A few weeks ago, Biden made some remarks about working with a couple of politicians with a segregationist past. I don’t know what the issue was. Around the same time, Ellen DeGeneres attended a football game with GW Bush. In both cases they were attacked for consorting with the enemy.

I think Churchill said something about how if Hitler invaded Hell he would find something nice to say about the Devil in the House of Commons. I think politics should work more along those lines. When I hear people say they could never be friends with someone in the opposing camp, I feel a brief twinge of despair.
10-28-19, 5:00pm
frugal-one

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Originally Posted by Alan

You haven't been paying attention.

Must not have been.
10-28-19, 5:03pm
frugal-one

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Originally Posted by LDAHL

There seems to be a sort of reflexive with-us-or-against-us mindset out there. I’ve been accused of being a Trump supporter as well; basically for being insufficiently enthusiastic for the agenda of his enemies on the left. They seem to have difficulty conceiving of a third position.

I consider myself to be in the never-Trump conservative camp. Clinton labels me “deplorable” and Trump refers to me as “human scum”. I like to think I’m despised by all the right people.

I consider myself a never trump supporter. You come across many times as being in his camp. As stated many times before, I have voted for both parties (don't see the point, however, in voting for a third party who doesn't have a chance of winning). I have always tried to vote for whom I believe will do the best job.
10-28-19, 5:07pm
frugal-one

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Originally Posted by LDAHL

A few weeks ago, Biden made some remarks about working with a couple of politicians with a segregationist past. I don’t know what the issue was. Around the same time, Ellen DeGeneres attended a football game with GW Bush. In both cases they were attacked for consorting with the enemy.

I think Churchill said something about how if Hitler invaded Hell he would find something nice to say about the Devil in the House of Commons. I think politics should work more along those lines. When I hear people say they could never be friends with someone in the opposing camp, I feel a brief twinge of despair.

I agree. McCain was a guy that I admired even though I did not espouse many of his ideas.
10-28-19, 5:37pm
LDAHL

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Originally Posted by frugal-one

You come across many times as being in his camp.

The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend. I can disagree with Trump but still feel Warren or Sanders would be terrible for the country. Being against them does not mean I’m pro-Trump, although there are many who seem to make that unfounded assumption.
10-28-19, 5:39pm
LDAHL

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Originally Posted by frugal-one

You come across many times as being in his camp.

The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend, but it doesn’t follow from that that he is your enemy’s friend. I can disagree with Trump but still feel Warren or Sanders would be terrible for the country. Being against them does not mean I’m pro-Trump, although there are many who seem to make that unfounded assumption.
10-28-19, 5:43pm
ApatheticNoMore

One is a Trump supporter if they vote for Trump. If they don't vote for Trump then I see no need to think they are a Trump supporter.

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