Ran across ICE in Phoenix (warning, some of you might want to scroll on by)

Just as I said, I ran across ICE in Phoenix. I was off one day last week and went to Morning Mass at the Catholic Church around the corner from me. ICE was apprehending (is this the right word) two individuals from a red pickup truck in the church parking lot 1/2 hour before Mass. It was utterly terrifying being so up close to fascist criminal such as this but Thank God another person pulled up - a woman with what I would call spunk - who started videoing as I did I instantly when I had another human being to witness these criminals and provide some cover. As the Government Criminals fled the scene I managed to get pics of most license plates of the seven vehicles necessary to detain two individuals.

Some good did take place. The woman who videoed with me is in ICE Watch and I signed up through her to bang pots and pans at any Phoenix area hotel ICE might stay at. The goals is to destroy any chance for these criminals to get any rest.

Something I truly notice and like about myself - being middle class has not changed who I am as a person one iota though I do donate more to charity now and embarrassingly the last time I bought sheets they were new. I still feel icky about that.

Something else wonderful - SO is happy to go bang pots with me though I don't know if this is wise due to his being naturalized and being married to a known dissident. We are seeking counsel from ICE Watch - there are some attorneys involved doing some pro bono work\advice.

Rob

Good for you Rob. Glad you have not lost your mojo!

A couple of questions if you have the time.
#1. Why do you call law enforcement personnel doing their job criminals and fascists?
#2. Do you know anything about these persons they were arresting in the church parking lot, such as immigration status, US criminal record or whether a duly authorized removal order has been previously issued?
#3. What is the purpose of disrupting an entire hotel other than the off chance you may annoy a few ICE officers. Do you have any consideration at all for other guests or the business itself?
#4. What makes you a "known dissident"? (I'm just mildly curious about that one, you can disregard if you can't verify that status)

okay---those fanaticrats don't change my mind one bit with their antics. But yeah---- too bad i'm wayy to old ta get a gummint job, enforcing immagration law and getting a chance ta assault a lunatic fanticrat or three, as collateral damage. Serves 'em right. Soon as w
e acquire Greenland, they(fanaticrats) can be transported to start a new life, clearing off the icecap. Yup. (see photo)Attachment 6718

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Originally Posted by frugal-one

Good for you Rob. Glad you have not lost your mojo!

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It was utterly terrifying being so up close to fascist criminal such as this but Thank God another person pulled up - a woman with what I would call spunk - who started videoing as I did I instantly when I had another human being to witness these criminals and provide some cover.

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Looks like Rob waited until his mojo drove up to the scene before he whipped out the "fully-charged smartphone" he's been warning us to carry for years now...

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Looks like Rob waited until his mojo drove up to the scene before he whipped out the "fully-charged smartphone" he's been warning us to carry for years now...

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You are not entirely wrong, Bae. One unfortunate thing about not living on the economic edge is that extremely ironically I've become much more cautious. Does this mean I've sold out? Rob

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You are not entirely wrong, Bae. One unfortunate thing about not living on the economic edge is that extremely ironically I've become much more cautious. Does this mean I've sold out? Rob

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One line of thinking holds that as your privilege increases, you should become more fearless in speaking out to help out those less fortunate. YMMV

I appreciate the efforts anyone takes to speak out or demonstrate against ICE. Their tactics are not acceptable, and the public outcry actually seems to be making a difference.

At what point does stalking and harassing ICE agents in a hotel become illegal? I think ICE needs to be held accountable for their actions if they exceed the law, but so should their opponents.

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At what point does stalking and harassing ICE agents in a hotel become illegal?

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My County has a regulation about noise. I presume other places do as well.

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9.06.040 Noise disturbances.
A. It shall be unlawful for any person to make or cause to be made any loud or unreasonable noise between the hours of 10:00 p.m. and 7:00 a.m. Noise shall be deemed to be unreasonable when it disturbs, injures, or endangers the peace or health of another or when it endangers the health, safety, or welfare of the community. Any such noise shall be considered to be a public nuisance and an unlawful noise disturbance.

B. It shall be unlawful for any person to make or cause to be made frequent, repetitive, or continuous noise from the discharge of a firearm between sunset and sunrise. Any such noise shall be considered to be a public nuisance and an unlawful noise disturbance.

C. It shall be unlawful for any person to make or cause to be made any of the following loud or unreasonable noises at any time. Such noise shall be deemed to be unreasonable when it disturbs, injures, or endangers the peace or health of another or when it endangers the health, safety, or welfare of the community. The following noises shall be considered to be a public nuisance and an unlawful noise disturbance regardless of the time of day:

1. Frequent, repetitive, or continuous noise made by any animal which unreasonably disturbs or interferes with the peace, comfort, and repose of property owners or possessors, except that such sounds made by animal shelters, or commercial kennels, veterinary hospitals, pet shops, or pet kennels licensed under and in compliance with applicable regulations shall be exempt from this subsection. Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, if the owner or other person having custody of the animal cannot, with reasonable inquiry, be located by the investigating officer, or if the animal is a repeat violator of this subsection, the animal shall be impounded by the animal control officer or his designee, subject to redemption in the manner provided by SJCC 6.08.113;

2. The frequent, repetitive or continuous sounding of any horn or siren attached to a motor vehicle except as a warning of danger or specifically permitted or required by law;

3. The creation of frequent, repetitive, or continuous noise in connection with the starting, operation, repair, rebuilding, or testing of any motor vehicle, motorcycle, or off-highway vehicle so as to unreasonably disturb or interfere with the peace, comfort, and repose of owners or possessors of real property;

4. The creation of frequent, repetitive, or continuous noise by use of a musical instrument, whistle, sound amplifier, stereo, radio, television, or other device capable of reproducing sound so as to unreasonably disturb or interfere with the peace, comfort, and repose of owners or possessors of real property;

5. Sound from a motor vehicle audio system, such as a radio, tape player or compact disc player, which is operated at such a volume that it is plainly audible by a person of normal hearing at a distance of 75 feet or more from the vehicle itself and lasts more than 30 seconds; or

6. Sound from portable audio equipment, such as a radio, tape player or compact disc player, which is operated at such a volume that it is plainly audible by a person of normal hearing at a distance of 75 feet or more from the source of the sound and lasts for more than 30 seconds. (Ord. 23-2002 § 4)

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