Woman live-streams aftermath of fatal officer-involved shooting
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/07/us/fal...ing-minnesota/
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Woman live-streams aftermath of fatal officer-involved shooting
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/07/us/fal...ing-minnesota/
Thousands, unless you change your gun laws.
So sad.
The US already has the most permissive laws in the world. Are you familiar with the US second amendment?Quote:
Originally Posted by IshbelRobertson
Yes.
What are you suggesting?
As far as the second amendment, as I've said before........it was never meant for today's world.
I've seen the videos from both of these shootings and I have some questions:
I'm not sure why the guy on the ground in Baton Rouge had to be shot? Is it possible it was an accident? I mean seriously........can't 2 men keep 1 man restrained without shooting him?? Then....I have to wonder why some of these victims fight the police so hard. Just go with them and deal with them later, through the law. It just makes the outcome potentially worse.
Now...the case in MN....the man was supposedly reaching for his driver's license or registration and they shot him. But why the hell is the woman proceeding to film it all instead of insisting on helping the guy beside her who is bleeding to death??? She was speaking very respectfully to the officer (who was holding his gun to the dying man in the front seat next to her), but geez.......why not try to stop his bleeding? He exsanguinated right next to her.
There is a group of mostly black ministers in the city near here who are really trying to help the problems of violence in the black community. And they keep saying "Just do what the police tell you to do." Why do some fight it so hard?
I kind of thought that, but then again, the whole video was so surreal: almost like the Hunger Games meets the Truman Show. And she wasn't the only one choosing to not help the dying man--the police officer apparently considered him still to be a potential threat--with his gun still poking in the car window. Maybe if she had reached over to help him, he'd have thought she was reaching for her boyfriend's "gun" and shot her too. Above all, I think she knew she was witnessing what most people choose to ignore and she was angry enough to feel it was more important to make her heart-wrenching video blog a testimony to injustice.Quote:
Originally Posted by CathyA
The police would never have let her get to him, I'm sure. Against protocol.
Meanwhile, Dylan Roof gets a free lunch from his captors, and the Bundys get an Oregon vacation.
Business as usual.
White privilege is real.
I wish more people realized that.Quote:
Originally Posted by UltraliteAngler
WE have gotten so paranoid that if we get stopped we put our hands up high on steering wheel so they can see them. When they ask for DL we ask if it is ok to go into our glove department to get it. I am not giving anyone a reason to shoot me.
I think when most cops pull over a white person they think: "He or she will cooperate."
That is a white privilege.
Or maybe "I can do whatever I want to this person of color and get away with it." Which has proven, over and over, to be the case.
Not all police officers have good intentions.
Another white privilege.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
Here they have shot white people for no reason. A woman in her 30's calls the Cops because her Mom is suicidal. They arrive and when the woman that calls runs out to talk to them unarmed they shoot her in the leg and her Mom comes out to help and they kill her.
I really try to avoid cops whenever possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
Did they get away with it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
Horrifying.
Yes they did. I have lived in 5 states and have never seen the cops act like they do here. Another incident I saw was I was downtown at a stoplight and a cop was on one side of the road. A teenager was crossing the street with his headphones on. A car turning in the intersection stopped to ask the kid a question and while answering them the cop starts screaming at him. The kid never looks up so I don't think he saw or heard him. When the kid gets to the other side of street the cop shoves him into a building from behind as rough as he can. NO clue as the light turned and I went. This is not a huge crime ridden city either.
I cried on the way to work this morning,
That's not paranoid. That's just basic common sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
The girlfriend of the guy in MN apparently said on the video that he had his concealed carry permit. I have not seen that confirmed by any law enforcement agency. Depending on the state, your carry permit may or may not come up when they run your plates. It depends on if the state ties your registration to your DL, and if your carry permit is tied to your DL. MN is not automatically a duty to inform state. You have to inform LE you're carrying ONLY if they ask (IL is the same way). It's considered preferable by many to inform LE immediately that you're carrying. Some states require the notification to be done verbally. In others, handing the cop your carry permit (and DL) is considered sufficient.
You do NOT want to make ANY furtive movements. You're risking getting shot if you do. The way to handle a traffic stop is: car stopped, radio off, driver's side window rolled down, dome light on at night/low light conditions, both hands on the steering wheel. You immediately tell the officer that you have a carry permit and you're carrying in X location (right hip, for example), or if your pistol is in your purse, center console, etc.., and what would the officer like you to do next. If officer tells you to not touch pistol, and you need to show documents, you indicate where DL/carry permit/insurance card/registration is and get them out. Slow movements, nothing suspicious.
I've been stopped while carrying - in Virginia, for speeding (on a road trip from IL to NC). VA is not a duty to notify state, but I did it anyway. I handled the stop as I outlined above and there were no issues. Deputy thanked me for notifying him.
You don't get to blame the guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tradd
Not blaming the guy. Just saying what can happen.
What did happen shouldn't have happened. Tradd, you are a white female. Even the Governor of MN said that if Philander Castille had been white, this wouldn't have happened. We white people can feel safer than blacks in this country with good reason. And that's not right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tradd
I think that municipalities need to take a serious look at their hiring practices for police officers.
YES! and the culture and ongoing training. Throw in some consequences for acting as judge and jury and we may get somewhere. I know of police officers who have committed domestic violence, ex-wives reported it and nothing happened, They still are officers and carry a gun to this day. There is no excuse for that, I can;'t think of any reason whatsoever that a domestic abuser should have a job as a police officer or even qualify to carry a gun,Quote:
Originally Posted by Lainey
The Minnesota shooting is sad and unfortunate, especially if it proves to be unprovoked.
But death to black men comes, by an order ofor magnitude, at the hands of other non LEO black men over other demographics.
This week in St. Louis we had 6 deaths within a 24 hour period; none were officer involved shootings. I believe all shooters were black men but I can't verify that. Our local rag doesnt always provide race of shooters or victims, but does provide that info sometimes according to byzantine rules no one understands.
Two Dallas cops have just been shot at a protest in Dallas.
I see that on Fox News, but it doesn't look like CNN's covering it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tradd
Live stream from DFW TV station.
http://livestream.com/kdfw/live
You didnt mean this sarcastically, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by catherine
But should we be surprised?
KDFW is now reporting 3-6 officers down. One of my forums online is monitoring scanner traffic and there might be two shooters. Those gun shots I heard were almost definitely fired from a rifle.
And more people die from guns by suicide than at the hand of someone else pulling the trigger. But that doesn't negate the fact that black men are routinely not given the same treatment that white men are by cops. This pic came across my facebook feed today from some confederate flag event at stone mountain where a confederate flag supporter, toting two guns and with his hand on one, was faced towards a cop 3 feet away, and yet the cop didn't pull out his gun and pop the guy. If it had been a black dude I doubt the result would have been the same. White privilege. And where's the NRA after Alton Sterling. Guy didn't do anything wrong, had a legal concealed carry, advised the cop of his gun, and is still dead. If he'd been white Wayne LaPierre would be jumping up and down all red in the face shouting about how wrong it was that a person legally exercising their 2nd amendment right had this happen to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
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1 Dallas officer now confirmed dead.
Alton Sterling is the guy shot in Baton Rouge. The MN guy is the one who apparently had his carry permit, according to his girlfriend. No official confirmation of that.
3 officers are now confirmed dead. As many as 10 shot. Two snipers shooting from elevated positions with rifles. This was an ambush.
You are correct. I meant Philando Castile. So many dead black guys over the years that I can't keep track...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tradd
I feel bad for the cops in Dallas and their families. They didn't deserve this, but it's not surprising. Unfortunately I expect this problem is going to get uglier and more divisive before it gets better. Hopefully we've reached, or will soon reach, the tipping point to achieve true police reform so that no one else on either side gets senselessly killed.
We all are seeing "police reform." The FergusonQuote:
Originally Posted by jp1
effect. Ask and ye shall receive.
Dallas PD has released a photo of a suspect. Black man.
Now some sort of an explosive device is suspected and being searched for.
Still active shooting. Seeing officers being pulled to safety on live feed. Now 4 officers dead.