WWIII?
Financial apocalypse? (Judging from my accounts, already in motion...)
Nothing to concern ourselves with?
Another GOP/Democrat arena-of-death?
The Rise Of The Oligarchs?
...?
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WWIII?
Financial apocalypse? (Judging from my accounts, already in motion...)
Nothing to concern ourselves with?
Another GOP/Democrat arena-of-death?
The Rise Of The Oligarchs?
...?
Since they aren't a Nato country, not the start of WWIII. I expect we will let them fall, then do more "sanctions", instead of admitting them to Nato and backing that commitment.
Sounds so much like Putin is wanting to reform the Warsaw pact, by invading former controlled countries. If they try to invade one that was accepted into Nato, then maybe WWIII.
Still a storm of fecal matter.
I think an aging tyrant is anxious to cement his legacy. It’s a matter of concern if you think freedom is important, or that the neighbors should worry about predatory powers on their doorstep.
I don’t think economic sanctions or sternly worded statements will make much difference against the Russian mindset. I think putting significant numbers of javelin and nlaw missiles into the hands of a sufficiently bloody-minded population will, given enough time and misery and logistical support.
When Stalin died in 1953, the New York Times published an obituary that said “But those who survived the purges hailed Stalin as a supreme genius”. I don’t think that much has changed since then. I do think China is watching the proceedings with interest.
I feel sorry for the people in Ukraine. I am really glad that Poland is our ally. They have been invaded many times and really suffered under Russia. My DIL’s family still lives there.
Well, apparently the aging tyrant's has moved forward with cementing his legacy as being the best badass our (thankfully) previous president ever met. If that goon were still in office I'd half be expecting him to send American troops to fight on russia's side in this.
https://news.google.com/articles/CAI...S&ceid=US%3Aen
I always thought that was stupid, but I did like the way he took many NATO Allies to task for not honoring their budgetary commitments.
Geez, I just looked up Putin's age, since he's been called "an aging tyrant" and he's my age. Watch it, folks. He has enough years left to do a lot of damage. This invasion isn't exactly a dying wish.
I thought the Western invasion years were over. I wonder what Russia's long game is.
Chuckling as I had the same thought about the aging tyrant but tempered with deep concern re future activities.Quote:
Originally Posted by catherine
Seeing a$$holes tRump and a few other “republicans” calling Putin a genius should be sent to Russia permanently. They can be governed by “the genius”. How anyone can still be for tRump is beyond understanding.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
It's horrible, but that said, it will be interesting to see how this plays out. It's a huge gamble for Putin. From what I've seen, public support for the invasion among Russians is lukewarm at best. Let's see what happens when Russian boys start coming home in body bags as their economy spirals downward.
So far, I think Biden has played his hand as well as he could have. It's truly chilling to think what would have happened if you-know-who had been re-elected.
Apparently, some people confuse "strong leader" with "murderous sociopath."
I agree with those who would export all his adoring fans to the front lines.
It’s interesting that upon getting this news so many people’s thoughts went immediately to Trump. If the Russians can occupy Ukraine as effectively as Trump has occupied their minds, the Ukrainians are in for dark days indeed.
So do you now hate trump as much as you hate Jimmy Carter, considering that that turd isn't keeping his effing mouth shut about this? The only difference between the two is that in the post Carter years democrats didn't shit all over themselves falling in step behind him like a bunch of jack booted thugs, as many republicans are today with trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
Having human beings learned anything? So, so sad.
I keep hoping that Mr T becomes irrelevant as time goes by. He will continue to say things to keep himself out there since he has so many "followers".
Trump did and said some stupid things during his term, but not enough to whip up the sort of frothing-mouth frenzy of hatred in me that he seems to inspire elsewhere. I would like to see Republicans quietly distance themselves from him the way many Democrats did from Carter when the stink of his failures was still strong in our nostrils. Whether or not we will be spared decades of righteous sermonizing from Trump remains to be seen. It’s possible though.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Meanwhile in Ukraine, we see the difference between the jack booted thugs of overwrought rhetoric and the genuine article.
So here's the danger of confirmation bias with regard to Trumpers: A FB friend posted "Funny--we didn't have any wars between 2017-2021" How many Trumpers will use this event to boost belief in Trump's efficacy as a President?
I saw a CNN reporter this morning declaring a straight line from Trump's 2016 election to Putin's 2022 invasion, but I couldn't follow the logic (assuming any were present). I think they were just trying to distract from the fact that after the fall of the Soviet Union, Russia has only invaded other countries during Democratic administrations, which are generally seen as weak on the world stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by catherine
I think they invaded Georgia during the last few months of GWB’s presidency, but I could be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
I do remember thinking Obama’s response to the seizure of the Crimea in 2014 was pretty weak.
No, I think you're right, I forgot about that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
one problem being it's not even true of course. I mean it depends on what the definition of war is. Wasn't there bombing in Iraq and Syria in war with ISIS (and the u.s. and russia were there), massive bombing in Afghanistan. The whole Yemen thing which the U.S. was maybe not directly in, but absolutely provided support for and that's not even contested. But the type of people that make those posts probably have minimal interest in anything more than scoring political points. So information, don't confuse them with that. U.S. military involvement during Trump did not get a lot of press or attention. I mean there was some attempt of cover up, but it's less that than just didn't generate a lot of interest.Quote:
So here's the danger of confirmation bias with regard to Trumpers: A FB friend posted "Funny--we didn't have any wars between 2017-2021" How many Trumpers will use this event to boost belief in Trump's efficacy as a President?
It's sounding like it could be a short war, although those have been grossly mistaken words in other instances.
It's interesting how the importance of oil has played into sanctions and other political maneuvers. A common issue with other international wars of dominance. If Putin's motive i to restore the Russian empire, it's concerning that this is just an isolated take over attempt.
Because of tRump’s comments on how Putin was a genius. You must have missed that?Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
More ways to kill one another and spend money.Quote:
Originally Posted by happystuff
Fixed it for you.
Didn’t miss it at the time, but I’m not so obsessed that it was the first thing I wanted to talk about when the most significant conflict in Europe in our life time commenced.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
Hey, this needs to be addressed. Supposed “republicans” saying Putin is a genius for trying to takeover a neighbor. WTH This type of talk is not acceptable encouraging others (ie tRump’s rabid followers) here to spout this undemocratic rhetoric. The garbage sprouted by tRump is also being broadcast in Russia. Heresy!Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
Trump/Putin fanboys and their army of RT trolls are having a field day. I don't see how anyone can dig up a single excuse for this invasion.
Some agreement. It's rather hard to avoid quibbling over divided American politics, but bigger issues are around global stability, unbridled Russian aggression, oil supplies, and economic implications. Focusing on Trump or weak democrats is rather myopic, but not totally irrelevant. There are a number of other international politics in play.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
Who is digging up excuses? Besides the invaders themselves, that is?Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
Unamerican assholes like Elise Stefanik, the #3 house republican.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
"After just one year of a weak, feckless, and unfit President of the United States and Commander-in-Chief, the world is less safe. Rather than peace through strength, we are witnessing Joe Biden's foreign policy of war through weakness. For the past year, our adversaries around the world have been assessing and measuring Joe Biden's leadership on the world stage, and he has abysmally failed on every metric. From kinetic and deadly attacks on our allies and partners, to the catastrophic withdrawal and surrender in Afghanistan, to the cyber attacks impeding American industry and infrastructure, to today's Russian invasion of Ukraine, Joe Biden and his Administration have failed America and the world."
When it may be one of the few areas he is doing the best he can on, which doesn't mean bad stuff doesn't happen. Passing domestic policy legislation. Dems can't control their own party. Pandemic response. What pandemic response? But the Ukraine and Russia, hard to fault him, very difficult situation.Quote:
Unamerican assholes like Elise Stefanik, the #3 house republican.
"After just one year of a weak, feckless, and unfit President of the United States and Commander-in-Chief, the world is less safe. Rather than peace through strength, we are witnessing Joe Biden's foreign policy of war through weakness. For the past year, our adversaries around the world have been assessing and measuring Joe Biden's leadership on the world stage, and he has abysmally failed on every metric. From kinetic and deadly attacks on our allies and partners, to the catastrophic withdrawal and surrender in Afghanistan, to the cyber attacks impeding American industry and infrastructure, to today's Russian invasion of Ukraine, Joe Biden and his Administration have failed America and the world."
So now its unamerican assholery to criticize the President? I shudder to think of living in a society where that may be true.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
That doesn’t sound like excuses for an invasion. That sounds like criticism of some of the feckless policies that helped a dictator decide invading a neighbor was a viable proposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Not that I fault Biden all that much. Sure, the “minor incursion” gaffe wasn’t very helpful, but I think the Europeans did a lot more to chum the water over the years. Particularly the Germans.
I suppose if one thinks that the worst war to hit europe since WWII is just an "over there" kind of event that won't affect us it would be acceptable for someone to make a baseless accusation of US presidential weakness. But I can only imagine the howls of indignation from the republican party if democrats had used 9/11 to try and score political points against W at that time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
All the partisan sniping around the genesis of this war reminds me of George Pickett’s explanation of why his famous charge at Gettysburg failed: “I always thought the Yankees had something to do with it.”
The first thing that occurs to me here- as much as I complain about US policing, this is multiple degrees of yet worse. I personally believe the average Russian does not want war or the fallout war creates. And Russia by this act has alienated itself from the West. And for what real gain or purpose?
I feel bad here as on.my Father's side I'm second generation outside of Russia. Actually.Minsk which is now in Belsrus but in.my grandparent's day was the former Soviet Union. I don't play up.this bloodline as I've never known just what to make of Russia. Putin creeps me out as does Erdogan in.Turkey and the leaders of Hungary and the Phillipines.
I've often wondered if I should discretely visit Russia someday. I know the large cities offer much culture - but over the top Putin makes me feel embarrassed of this half of my blood. Rob
It is said by Shakespeare and others that "there is nothing either good or bad but thinking makes it so". Don't make the mistake of criticizing the physical person of whatever nation which cannot be readily changed but, by all means, present your focused views of their thinking which can be changed. Bloodlines have nothing to do with the situation in Ukraine or anywhere else but the thoughts held in mind are father to any deed, good or bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
It was so silly to hear one hockey player badmouthing another hockey player because of his country of birth not his skills as a player or qualities as a human being.
DEFCON 2 today. Fun fun fun.
Frightening.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
I read that they are flying Ukrainian flags all over Taiwan.