Your news sources?

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10-14-25, 3:08pm
bae

Your news sources?

I just stumbled across this article on various mainstream news sources:

https://www.stopthepresses.news/p/im...mocracy-grades
10-14-25, 4:09pm
Alan

I'm not familiar with the author but after reading his review of each source I get the feeling he'd rate them all with an 'A' if they'd only do a better job of validating his own biases.
10-14-25, 4:13pm
bae

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Originally Posted by Alan

I'm not familiar with the author but after reading his review of each source I get the feeling he'd rate them all with an 'A' if they'd only do a better job of validating his own biases.

Odd how that works in these various ratings.

I myself have been increasingly relying on European news sources, partially to get a different from-a-distance point of view, partially to regain language fluency in German and French.

I think it's worthwhile looking at sources from all over, and then tracking down primary sources.
10-14-25, 6:07pm
Rogar

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I've seen other versions that make more sense to me, but it is difficult to find one that is bias free. I don't have any huge issues with mainstream media but it's not always correct. There's always BBC, which I listen to on public radio and TV.

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10-14-25, 9:05pm
iris lilies

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Originally Posted by Rogar

I've seen other versions that make more sense to me, but it is difficult to find one that is bias free. I don't have any huge issues with mainstream media but it's not always correct. There's always BBC, which I listen to on public radio and TV.

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All Media begs to differ. Their chart reflects point of view, not necessarily accuracy. We have used the source before, I remember someone posted it. I think it was Tradd.

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https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
10-14-25, 9:36pm
Rogar

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Originally Posted by iris lilies

All Media begs to differ. Their chart reflects point of view, not necessarily accuracy. We have used the source before, I remember someone posted it. I think it was Tradd.

https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart

Not to pass judgement on who is the most correct, but you'd think in the modern age some one would come up with metrics, like fact check accuracy, focus on non partisan issues, and quality of reporting. Or whatever, rather than some sort of dart toss.
10-14-25, 10:44pm
iris lilies

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Originally Posted by Rogar

Not to pass judgement on who is the most correct, but you'd think in the modern age some one would come up with metrics, like fact check accuracy, focus on non partisan issues, and quality of reporting. Or whatever, rather than some sort of dart toss.

Well, that’s what your source and the source I posted is doing. The world and world of news is far too complex to be reduced fo black and white absolutes.

But bae’s source, that is flawed.
10-15-25, 6:59am
catherine

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Originally Posted by iris lilies

But bae’s source, that is flawed.

bae's source isn't flawed because it measures the author's opinion, not a more objective scale to measure right- vs left- leaning sources.

"These grades are just my opinions, based on whether the outlets follow the facts to expose the assault on our democratic system." And his measure of "assault on our democratic system" is clearly biased--defined as those he trusts to "do a good job of battling disinformation and exposing Donald Trump’s power grabs."

The other maps, Rogar's and iris's, attempt to be more objective in terms of assessing how right- or lef-leaning each news source is. Two different metrics.

I rely heavily on Snopes these days because they actually do analyze the sound bites, Facebook/X memes and other rumors. As for the mainstream press, I know they are all biased. I have learned to hold an equal distrust of what is printed by the left and the right. Yet, I am much more likely to read the ones that feed my own confirmation bias--NYT, Atlantic, and I subscribe to several ex-contributors of the NYT and other media, like Paul Krugman, Dan Rather.

The only way I can escape bias in journalism is to read as many different opinions as I can, and, as bae does, make sure I get some exposure to ex-US sources.

I am really pleased to see news media across the spectrum standing up to Hegseth.
10-15-25, 9:10am
iris lilies

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Originally Posted by catherine

bae's source isn't flawed because it measures the author's opinion, not a more objective scale to measure right- vs left- leaning sources.

"These grades are just my opinions, based on whether the outlets follow the facts to expose the assault on our democratic system." And his measure of "assault on our democratic system" is clearly biased--defined as those he trusts to "do a good job of battling disinformation and exposing Donald Trump’s power grabs."

The other maps, Rogar's and iris's, attempt to be more objective in terms of assessing how right- or lef-leaning each news source is. Two different metrics.

I rely heavily on Snopes these days because they actually do analyze the sound bites, Facebook/X memes and other rumors. As for the mainstream press, I know they are all biased. I have learned to hold an equal distrust of what is printed by the left and the right. Yet, I am much more likely to read the ones that feed my own confirmation bias--NYT, Atlantic, and I subscribe to several ex-contributors of the NYT and other media, like Paul Krugman, Dan Rather.

The only way I can escape bias in journalism is to read as many different opinions as I can, and, as bae does, make sure I get some exposure to ex-US sources.

I am really pleased to see news media across the spectrum standing up to Hegseth.

OK sure, but what value to us is that writer‘s opinion? What if I put my own chart out, Iris‘s opinion on various news sources? So what, who cares?
That’s not a contribution that matters.Perhaps this author of bae’s is known and respected in some circles, I dont know, but I dont know him.

I agree with your approach to news which is to recognize the bias of each news source. It is really great when those news sources themselves state their bias but most of them never will. Megyn Kelly (not a news source, but an opinion podcaster) talks about the importance of being straight with her audience on her preconceived point of view.

edited to add: hmm, I have actually heard of Marc Jacob. So as a former editor of a major newspaper, his opinion would have more weight in this world than the Iris Lily poll.
10-15-25, 11:31am
littlebittybobby

okay---i've always listened to THN, because the news is the best. THN(which stands for Tinfoil Hat Network) has all the latest news on the stuff I like, and nona the stuff i'm disinterested in, such as so-called "world piece". Kids, there isn't any such thing as "world piece", any more than there is Santa Claws or the Tooth Fairy, so forget it. It's just another thing Ol' Jimmah Cahtah dreamed up ta get votes, like "rebaits" Ha. . See? Hope that helps you some. Thankk Mee. Yup.
10-15-25, 1:26pm
Tradd

NY Times, the Economist, the New Yorker. I have digital subscriptions to all of these.

I also listen to the Marketplace podcast, plus the Daily and Headlines NYT podcasts daily.

I listen to BBC Radio daily, mostly Radio 4 and 5 Live. The BBC Newscast and Americast podcasts as excellent.

NPR is in there occasionally. I also listen to WGN AM Chicago all day long. Mainstream news talk. None of the right wing stuff and mostly local programming.
10-15-25, 1:27pm
Tradd

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Originally Posted by Rogar

I've seen other versions that make more sense to me, but it is difficult to find one that is bias free. I don't have any huge issues with mainstream media but it's not always correct. There's always BBC, which I listen to on public radio and TV.

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You listen to BBC right off their website to get more!