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Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor, formerly known as Prince, was arrested in the UK last night. He is a “ Senior Royal” in line to the throne. He is 8th in line to inherit. At one time in the not too distant past he was 2nd in line for the throne.
People, this is huge. HUGE!!!
Not since days of yore where kings and their heirs were dragged off, charged with treason and thrown in The Tower and then beheaded has a senior royal been arrested and jailed.
For those who don’t follow the Royal family of Britain ( cough cough rosa) Andrew was the spoiled favorite child of Queen Elizabeth II. She covered for his scrapes, gave him money, looked the other way for his transgressions.
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This trouble has been brewing for many years and it started with charges of rape by Epstein victim Virginia Guiffre. Correspondence has come to light that Andrew and his wife Sarah Ferguson were extremely close with Jeffrey Epstein.
Sarah Ferguson is a hot mess who spends enormous amounts of money foolishly and is always in need of money. Epstein fed her constant streams of money.
Andrew is arrogant, dull, and full of himself. He has fought every downgrade of his extravagant lifestyle since Queen Elizabeth died. His brother, King Charles, has been chipping away at Andrew’s privilege by taking away his luxurious house in Windsor Park, taking away his title, reducing crown support, etc. But that has not been enough for the British people, they want Andrew’s head on a platter.
There are rumors that Prince William and his father the King are at loggerheads because Charles is not acting swiftly and strongly enough with Andrew, and presumably Williams’s brother Harry.
It is important to remember that both Harry and Andrew are currently in the line of succession to the throne. Apparently, and this is complicated so I’m not sure about the facts, only Parliament can remove them from the line of succession. The King can grant titles and take away titles, but he cannot change who inherits the throne.
The Palace has been reluctant to have Parliament take on this issue because it’s ugly and gives them bad press. The Royals and their minions prefer to handle their family problems themselves, but due to lack of clear and strong boundaries, I think Parliament may step in soon.
It’s even more shocking to think that Prince Harry‘s children, one of whom has never stepped in England, are also in the line of succession. All it takes is one helicopter crash for the Wales family to disappear, and Prince Harry and Meghan Markle will ascend to the throne. Prince William likes to fly his family around in the helicopter.
Oy.
Yeah, this is a first... I'd love to know how the British people are reacting--do they think justice is being served, or do they look at the arrest as a witch hunt?
Boy, it couldn't get worse for Andrew at this point.
Regarding Harry, maybe it's the mother in me, but I really, really wish the family could reconcile. And I really wish Harry had kept his mouth shut about his family.
I am so naïve because I expected Harry and Megan to retire quietly to some posh part of the world, where Harry would play polo and Megan would be a country club Dame. Once every 10 years they would give a major interview to some slick high culture magazine about their lives. They would make occasional appearances at fundraisers that were truly important to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by catherine
That's the life I assumed they would take on, and in doing that they could’ve retained a relationship with their family in England although it might’ve been chilly, and their children would still know their grandparents.
I don’t blame them at all for getting out of the hot house that is the senior royal family, but oh my God, they have made such a mess of their freedom. I had no idea that Megan Markle had her sight set on being an A-list Hollywood celebrity. What a stupid goal when she could have a beautiful, serene existence.
I should mention that we saw Craig Ferguson on stage last week when he breezed through St. Louis for a show. Craig had a little story about Meghan Markle, how he had had her on his show many many years ago, and he had promptly forgotten her. She was forgettable. Later she popped up in world news for marrying a prince, and British media scoured videotapes to find an interview with her because they didn’t know anything about her, she was just a cable TV actress.
they found Craig’s interview footage and used that extensively.
Yes, she is definitely not the subservient partner-to-the-royal!! I'm sure Harry had a lot of Oedipal reasons for thinking she was perfect for him--he could undo his mother's death by creating the life she would have wanted. But still, that pendulum swung way too far the other way. I'm sure I'm not in her influencer-sphere, but I just don't think she has "it"--she'll never be a Martha Stewart or Gwyneth Paltrow. The only thing I admire her for is keeping her kids out of the spotlight. And God knows I've tried to find photos of them online!!Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I wonder what specific things he did to be accused of selling influence and acting illegally and what their laws say about legal consequences for such crimes. I can't imagine he royalty would be subjected to the embarrassment of an actual prison sentence? Are there openings in London Tower?
It's surprising that the British have accepted some degree of respect and honor for their version of monarchy well into modern times. Lately it all seems like fodder for People Magazine.
this week Megan started putting her children’s faces in front of the camera. Megan Snark lore is they’re running out of money, they’ve got nothing else to monetize so time to bring out the children.Quote:
Originally Posted by catherine
Lilibet’s hair is perpetually uncombed. Her name makes me irrationally angry. It was the pet family name for Queen Elizabeth Ii. You don’t name your child who is in line for the British throne some made up stupid nickname.
Wow.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
It all has to do with his involvement with Jeffrey Epstein and having sex with underaged girls (allegedly).Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
The same should happen to the wannabe king here!
trump is taking about naming all kinds of things after himself (sometimes using blackmail tactics, think New Jersey tunnel).
https://apnews.com/article/trump-fam...8997b83745ff1d
okay----yah, this is sickening. obviously, he should be given a pre-emptive pardon, provided that he comply with some sanctions and restrictions. we don't need a show trial; only The Media wants that.
Wow, you are not kidding. BBC has been running live coverage all morning. Amazing story. They say no senior royal has been arrested since King Charles was arrested and beheaded.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
Hmm, it turns out they do have Prince Andrew in a can.
Oh, I always thought that was Albert. ;) Either that or we were crap at prank calls.
You are right! I am so sorry, I just read the headline and assumed he was being arrested for the thing that insiders said he would be arrested for, having personal gain from his assignment as an ambassador for commerce.Quote:
Originally Posted by Klunick
As you say, it is an arrest about his alleged involvement with sex trafficking.
Head scratch - I think about how all this Epstein stuff was supposed to implicate Mr. Trump in some way but instead is implicating anyone but him.
LOL, it was Albert, but sometimes you gotta work with what ya got.
oh, please, if there was believable stuff in those Epstein files about Donald Trump, don’t you think the Biden team and the Hillary team would’ve mined that material by now,? Although frankly, I’m surprised they didn’t make something up and insert.Quote:
Originally Posted by pinkytoe
and all of that said, I think Trump knew Epstein, did a certain amount of palling around with him because they were New York/Palm Springs buddies, for a while anyway.
The story I've seen is that he is charged with "misconduct in office," which carries a maximum sentence of life. There is no mention of sex abuse or trafficking, although one might read between the lines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Klunick
The NYT had a list of high profile people who have resigned or otherwise had fallout from the files. Most of them had financial ties, friendships, or correspondence with Epstein, but associations with his sex trafficking ring seem pretty flimsy without more evidence. It's all pretty shady but the commission of actual crimes or related legal charges is implied at best. Not to say they are not a slimy bunch deserving of whatever happens, but some of it seems like a dart toss of wrongdoing.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...d-fallout.html
The antics of the German Usurpers are of very little concern, but still, there's some delight to be had in their predicaments.
He used to have the only late night show worth watching. Now he’s hosting a game show.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
They’re like the Kardashians; only with castles.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
What's a "Kardashian"?Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
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NPR erroneously reported that never in the history of Britain have senior Royals been arrested and charged. Later, they came back to correct that mentioning King Charles I and the loss of his head.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
As a Stuart, it is important I mark this assault upon the Stuart Dynasty. It was kind of a big deal.
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Ha! You gotta be joking! Of course he was “joking” around with more than “buddies”. Look at all the women he was photographed with… the thousand mentions of him in “ the files”. Also, look at the way trump talked about women even before he was elected… grabbing them, etc. It is hard to imagine him NOT being involved just by watching the video of him with his buddy, Epstein.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
He gave insider information to Epstein but it only came to light because of his involvement with the sex trafficking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
i’m sure Trump is in the Epstein files so I should change what I said above. I don’t think he was involved in anything like the murders torture and endless trafficking of very young women, girls and children. But Trump is a womanizer so I wouldn’t be surprised if he had his hands on a 17-year-old at some point. And I believe he did write that birthday note to Jeffrey Epstein That Trump claims he did not write or draw.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
Maybe the BBC has been talking about this, but I haven’t heard it myself until just late today.
Apparently, King Charles himself is in deep deep Doodoo because he was the one who authorized the payment, the hush money, to Virginia Guiffre. The queen was still alive, but Prince Charles was pretty much acting as Regent while the queen was suffering from multiple cancers at this time.
this has legal implications for him, and you can bet Andrew is going to throw his brother Charles under the bus if he gets a whiff it will help his case. The reporter I heard today predicts an abdication of King Charles is on the horizon.
King Charles was the person who brought his brother back into the family fold after the Queen died, inviting Andrew and his wife Sarah Ferguson to obvious family events where they appeared in front of media. Charles did this in a show of forgiveness because he believes in redemption, but his son William was adamant that this should not happen.
Yeah, trump should receive the same as the people of the UK are doling out to Andrew. Neither should be above the law.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
So far, Andrew Mountbatten Windsor was taken in for questioning re secret business information he was privy to as a Government Business Envoy. He is alleged to have passed this info to Epstein.
He cannot be charged here re Virginia Guiffre as she was 17 at the time, which is above the UK Age of Consent. There is some talk that charges of sex with a trafficked woman may follow, but so far it is speculation.
No, it is information released from Epstein’s files in the US and concerns giving Epstein state information obtained when AMW was a Govt appointee as a Business Envoy. ANdrew cannot be prosecuted in the UK as Guiffre was over the age of consent in the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Klunick
thanks for this clear delineation of what a charge could potentially be with Virginia G. As I read accounts, it’s murky. My question was: wasn’t she of legal age in the UK? But it is her potential as a trafficked person that could bring charges, got it. That seems like a reach.Quote:
Originally Posted by IshbelRobertson
Andrew MW may well have been involved in shady sexcapades with absolute minors, but not on British soil.
okay----what President Triumph ought to do, is send that special crew in that grabbed the Venzawaylan Dicktater, in ta grab ol' ex-prince Andrew, and resettle him in Fla(armpit of Americca). Keep him under certain restrictions and a steady supply of tarts, strumpets and harlots that are of certified legal age. He could maybe have his own reality show, too. But yeah---get him away from his fammily, especially his entitled brother and nephew. Yup.
Yes, she was. Age 16 is we call it the Age of Consent here. According to a Barrister friend, the trafficked person scenario is not likely to happen. Yes, he may well be guilty elsewhere, just not here.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
Well. The Andrew formerly known as Prince is of Stuart descent and that is currently proving problematic in removing him from the line of succession because it’s in conflict with a 1701 law that guarantees descendants of Sophia of Hanover remain by their birthright in the line of succession. Sophia was granddaughter to James Vi / I.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Andrew may be German, but he’s also Scottish. And Stuart.
As a Stuart I am conflicted on this issue.
As a Stewart of Appin, I couldn’t care less! He, his grifter wife and daughters have successfully fed on royal connections for decades. He is (almost certainly, IMO) a paedophile. I’m glad he is being shunned.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I thought that would probably be your position. I’m just kidding when I say I’m “conflicted “cause I’m really not. Andrew is a slimy beast and he needs to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by IshbelRobertson
IL it is reported here that the daughters are being sidelined from most public royal events this year, eg Royal Ascot, Remembrance Sunday and Buck House ‘balcony’ events. Now the gossip mags and some red-top newspapers are stating that the marriage of one daughter (can never remember which is which) to an Italian man is in trouble as her family’s woes are impacting his interior design commissions, particularly in the USA.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
We are getting the reports about Beatrice and Eugenie not being included in family public events, such as no invitation to Ascot. had not heard about that one daughter’s marriage trouble, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by IshbelRobertson