I see the strikes against Iran have begun. They seem to be directed at decapitating the leadership and degrading Iranian ballistic missile, air defense and nuclear capabilities.
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I see the strikes against Iran have begun. They seem to be directed at decapitating the leadership and degrading Iranian ballistic missile, air defense and nuclear capabilities.
A$$&&$$4++ trump … knew he would get us into a war! He should have not been elected and put in jail, where he was destined and belongs! Just hope he doesn’t get any of our guys killed!
They seem to be directed at redacting the Epstein Files.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
I hope at least Ukraine benefits from the destruction of missile and drone production facilities that were being used to supply the Russians in their genocidal war in Ukraine.
I note also that Trump "tweeted" something about the Iranians interfering in our elections, so keep an eye open for where *that* leads...
"Iran tried to interfere in 2020, 2024 elections to stop Trump, and now faces renewed war with United States" - from his Truth Social 2AM this morning.
I remember the hostage crisis very well. I despise Orange Man, but I have absolutely no issues with pushing Iran's shit in. Been needed for decades.
Well, previous efforts to crush them under pallet loads of cash failed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tradd
We should brace for retaliation from Iran’s proxies in Hamas, Hezbollah and the New York City Mayor’s office.
It might be a good time to fill up the tank with cheap gasoline. No denying that Iran is a bad player.
I suspect ulterior motives from trump. Congress should put a leash on his frontotemporal dementia in a normal political world. It's no longer a normal world. I expect all sorts of bizarre and high risk outcomes from this.
Remember when he dropped the mega bunker buster bombs on Iran's underground processing facility and he thumped his chest and said it would take Iran decades to rebuild. We know how he lies.
We broke it, we bought it.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...19-1953-788012
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/01384460
It appears the Supreme Leader is dead.
Ding dong, the witch is dead.
Blame the CIA. Blame the Sykes-Picot Treaty. Blame the Crusades. But I still think the mullahs had something to do with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
as always, the question is who will take his place?. Will it be any better, rhe new regieme? I suppose we will pour more pallets of cash to prop up whatever regime we think will be OK there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tradd
here’s what I don’t understand: the Mamdami bots who were marching and screaming about Palestinian casualties in Gaza are completely silent about the protesters in Iran, being killed by the thousands.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
It is impossible to know what the death rate of protestors is in Iran , but I’ve seen estimates ranging from 3000 to 35,000 in such a short time compared to maybe twice as much as that in Palestine over three years.
You would think the campus folks and others who value freedom from tyranny would be marching in absolute support of those in Iran who were giving up their lives to overthrow the Khomani administration.
Now, I don’t think we should start a war to help with that civil unrest in Iran, but we’ve already done it so we’re in it now. and really it’s about oil and controlling oil in the Middle East, and less about helping a revolt of The People.
and once again, I want to express my admiration for Iranian citizens who face sure death for taking on their leader and his military. there was a time when Iran was a modern country, many decades ago. it would be wonderful if some of that light could be let into Iran again.
Theocracies are a bad idea. Secular leader hopefully.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
Just waiting for Trump to proclaim that "maybe we should suspend elections during war time."
As far as distractions, I'm going to give the American people credit where credit is due; the Epstein Files are NOT going to go away, no matter how much Trump throws at the wall to see what will stick the People will not let it fade away. We all collectively can chew gum and walk at the same time.
Yes, I think we are stuck with hearing about the Epstein files for the millennia.Quote:
Originally Posted by SiouzQ.
This morning we watched CNN, Fox and BBC coverage. Interesting slant on the coverage.
Ranged from this is the best thing any President has done to make America first and put our country first to this is illegal and will drag us further into the Middle East. Also potential terrorism in the US and our overseas bases being targeted. BBC mentioned some Civilian casualties as well.
Can a President do this without Congressional approval?
What is the limiting or end strategy?
i don’t think I can ever forget being a teenager and young adult during the Vietnam war, the draft and massive US casualties. Shaped my world view.
Would not put it past him! He needs to stay in power to stay out of jail.Quote:
Originally Posted by SiouzQ.
Good one. I don't know that the attack in itself was wrong, but how it proceeded without congress and the risk of escalation is not nothing. Even our democrat governor who is frequent critic of trump has been reserved in any criticism. I refreshed my scant memory of the Ayatollah. He was a very bad man. I had a work friend who came here from Iran decades ago to escape the oppressive politics. He described the Iranian government as a member of the triangle of pure evil, which included North Korean and another place I can't remember..Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
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Originally Posted by Rogar
This morning I am astonished, it is beyond my comprehension, that there are self proclaimed progressives offering sadness that the Khomeini regime in Iran toppled.
i *do* understand:
* concern about Trump acting war-like without Congress backup… that is always a concern with any President in these actions
* concern about the US being dragged into a never-ending conflict
* this attack by the US and Israel provoking a big conflation in the Middle East that spreads into a bigger uncontrollable war
I consider all three of these to be reasonable concerns by normal thinking, logical Americans.
I would warn AOC and Newsome and any other politician who is courting the lefty loos to be VERY careful in their messaging about this. if they hint that they are sorry Khomeini went down, their opponent will take advantage of that and promote it, and that stupidity will not resonate with the American public.
Thought trump while campaigning promoted peace, lower prices and a variety of other things? trump cannot be trusted to do what he says!
See also he is promoting a big fight at the white house on his birthday. He has no class or decorum. Wonder how much he is making off it as well. He is the preferment of self-grandising. He is totally self-serving. I don’t believe he cares about the best interest of our country … only what he can personally gain. Disheartening to see this authoritarian regime unfold.
I have to admit I felt a rush of nostalgia when Bill Clinton testified “I did nothing wrong”.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
I’m not as worried as some about a wider war. Iran has burned bridges with pretty much every other state in the region over the years. Their proxies have been decimated over the last few years as well. Russia is dealing with its own conflict. Almost half the oil passing through the Strait of Hormuz is headed for China, so I doubt they’ll show much support for an extended conflict.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
As far as our progressive activist class is concerned, I think all the usual suspects will say all the usual things for the usual political reasons. They will mostly be preaching to the choir.
If things were to go badly, we might see a normally supine Congress make some effort to regain some of the war powers authority they have surrendered over the years. That could (possibly) be a good thing.
Iran's initial, and ongoing, counterattack looka to me like a foolish attempt to drag in nearly every other country in the region. That did not turn out as planned, it seems to have brought together those countries in opposition to Iran. Morons.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
This is a classic problem with a decapitation attack, you get all those now-sorta-independent units out there acting on standing orders or their own initiative.
I think if we are to have war with Iran, it should go through the Constitutional process.Quote:
If things were to go badly, we might see a normally supine Congress make some effort to regain some of the war powers authority they have surrendered over the years. That could (possibly) be a good thing.
Absolutely!Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Come to think of it, it did sound familiar. Or like Nixon's, I am not a crook. I expect trumps story to be similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
My take is that Iran willy nilly fired off as many missiles as possible before the Tomahawk Cruises decimated their launch sites. Drones might be a different story, but they don't seem to cause as much damage.
That made me laugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
haha!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
okay----but Ronnie Ray-gunn would be so proud! So anyway----Bad Orange Man should be featured on a multi-segment episode of "Dirty Jobs", if that show is still on. Yup. Hope that helps you kids.
Yeah. You got it right! Bros….birds of a feather.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
First American casualties already counted.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
Terrorist attack in Austin, TX… 19 injured, 3 dead so far because of trump and his attack on Iran. @#$$#
Hezbollah has entered the group chat.
Heheh. That Mossad beeper operation was a lovely site to behold. The Rest is Classified podcast had two episodes on how Mossad likely did it. Fascinating listen.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Do we KNOW this is a terrorist attack? AKA were the bad guys Muslim?Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
Dude is from Senegal and reportedly suffers from some sort of mental illness, so ???Quote:
Originally Posted by Tradd
Although the TDS crowd seems to be implying that it was just some dude triggered by the object of their own mental illness so I'm not sure if it's technically terrorism or not.
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I'm OK with diagnosing "extremist religious beliefs that lead to violence" as a mental illness. Simplifies things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
That covers a whole heck of a lot of Muslims, the Islamist wing. But no, I don’t think they are mentally ill in the DSM V sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
That is the description of the event on the news…. you decide. Check out his shirt in Alan’s post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tradd
I’m reading that Israel has deployed an “Iron Beam” laser in combat for the first time against Hezbollah drones.
Look out, MTG!