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    Is There or Is There Not a Border Crisis?

    It seems so hard to establish even basic fact. On the one hand we hear about swarms of would-be new residents overwhelming border facilities. On the other, weíre told itís just a seasonal fluctuation. The exclusion of press from certain places does seem indicative that something is going on.

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    I have no idea.

    Up here in mid aMerica, it doesn’t affect my life so I do my best to not pay attention.

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    It should be no big surprise that after the Trump hard core rhetoric there is a belief that Biden will be easier on border crossings. And that they were not prepared for the obvious. How much of a crisis it is and how bad it is relative to humanitarian issues with Trump is hard to tell. There are too many self-interests telling their side. Unlike IL I figure were are all in the bus together, regardless of international borders and how safe I feel at home (or in King Soopers). So I do care, but probably not a lot of significance that I can do about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    It should be no big surprise that after the Trump hard core rhetoric there is a belief that Biden will be easier on border crossings. And that they were not prepared for the obvious. How much of a crisis it is and how bad it is relative to humanitarian issues with Trump is hard to tell.
    88000 crossed in 2019. This is not a Biden problem, it's a long term issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gardnr View Post
    88000 crossed in 2019. This is not a Biden problem, it's a long term issue.
    I've seen different versions depending on the source. This is what CNN says.

    "All of that could set 2021 on track to exceed 2019 in the number of people apprehended at the border. Just over 100,000 people were encountered last month, 24,000 more than in February 2019. And the number of unaccompanied children crossing the US-Mexico border in March is on pace to surpass May 2019, the highest month that year in arrests of minors."

    And the wsj:

    "The surge in illegal immigration across the southern U.S. border is shaping up to be the biggest in 20 years. Unlike migrant surges in 2019 and 2014, which were predominantly made up of Central American families and unaccompanied children, so far this one is being driven by individual adults.

    The Washington post is calling it a seasonal pattern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gardnr View Post
    88000 crossed in 2019. This is not a Biden problem, it's a long term issue.
    Oh, it was much higher than that. In FY '19 there were approximately 850,000 people caught crossing the southern border illegally, with approximately 375,000 of those being released into the United States with notices to appear in immigration court. I would think the 88K number would be those who followed immigration law and entered legally.
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    Yes. There are recurring crises at the border and we have one now. To me a crisis is when we cannot accommodate all the people being let in and have to send some to ad hoc overflow centers.

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    I'm looking out the window at the northern border right now, and it seems calmer than usual.

    YMMV down there in the South. I have no idea what to believe on the topic down there, as most of the information sources seem suspect.

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    I think there's been a crisis at our border for years, the only difference in my mind is that there is now an implied promise to accept any and every one who shows up regardless of immigration law and our new administration's adamant refusal to acknowledge making the situation worse. The level of secrecy being imposed on Border Control agents and lack of media access to facilities and immigrants is telling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    I think there's been a crisis at our border for years, the only difference in my mind is that there is now an implied promise to accept any and every one who shows up regardless of immigration law and our new administration's adamant refusal to acknowledge making the situation worse. The level of secrecy being imposed on Border Control agents and lack of media access to facilities and immigrants is telling.
    From all accounts this is not a true statement. Biden stated unattended children will not be left to their own defenses. The media is reporting and showing facilities. I don't know where you are getting your news/reports.

    Like others here have mentioned, this has been a problem for a long time. IMO trump made it worse by totally having people camped out at the border. That alone made the impact greater.

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