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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    You can have all the compassion you like. Go for it.

    Emotion shouldn’t be overriding laws here. Those of us who live in United States expecting reasonable enforcement of reasonable laws seem to be the brunt of your posts—is that what you intend? Perhaps it is not. Policies emanating from the
    White House are a big factor in this issue. Our President gets to fix this whole situation, lucky him!

    Immigration laws that take into account asylum circumstances seem like reasonable laws to me. Are they reasonable to you? Should there be any immigration restrictions in your mind?
    I have sited asylum law multiple times on this forum. I do not encourage or support illegal entry. I shared my own story of immigration. Why is it you think otherwise of me?

    Yes, I am a compassionate person. Not a fault IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gardnr View Post
    I have sited asylum law multiple times on this forum. I do not encourage or support illegal entry. I shared my own story of immigration. Why is it you think otherwise of me?

    Yes, I am a compassionate person. Not a fault IMO.
    The laws and policies won’t fix it, but I guess the whole system has to constantly try.

    By “taking into account asylum issues” I mean consideration of circumstances, not wholesale relaxation of all entry limits. That means many people, hundreds of thousands of them, for whom you have compassion will not be able to enter the
    U. S. Ever.

    Is that ok with you?

    Compassion doesn’t override logical decision making, in my value structure anyway. We can certainly have compassion for persons in dire circumstances but still not allow them into the United States.

    It is interesting to me that The Netherlands was not a good place for your family. Are there reasons for that? I thought The Netherlands was one of those desirable socialist countries we are supposed to emulate.

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    I don't think many of the refugees actually fit the usual asylum requirements. They are fleeing gang violence, poverty and corruption in their own countries. Some because of the hurricanes that destroyed their villages. I have to wonder where all the "teenage" minors will end up when they enter the US.

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    If we still had the Panama Canal Zone we might be able to accommodate some of the migrants there. We see this approach with the Rohingya who are assisted in their region rather than coming to the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    The laws and policies won’t fix it, but I guess the whole system has to constantly try.

    By “taking into account asylum issues” I mean consideration of circumstances, not wholesale relaxation of all entry limits. That means many people, hundreds of thousands of them, for whom you have compassion will not be able to enter the
    U. S. Ever.

    Is that ok with you?

    Compassion doesn’t override logical decision making, in my value structure anyway. We can certainly have compassion for persons in dire circumstances but still not allow them into the United States.

    It is interesting to me that The Netherlands was not a good place for your family. Are there reasons for that? I thought The Netherlands was one of those desirable socialist countries we are supposed to emulate.
    As I shared when I shared the story, I asked Dad why we came. "We couldn't have been any poorer". 5 kids, driving truck all over Europe 6 days a week home for 30 hours from Saturday night to Monday early dark hours. We lived in a 2 room rented home. He was 39 and Mom 38. Who wouldn't take a chance on bettering that situation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    You can have all the compassion you like. Go for it.

    Emotion shouldn’t be overriding laws here. Those of us who live in United States expecting reasonable enforcement of reasonable laws seem to be the brunt of your posts—is that what you intend? Perhaps it is not. Policies emanating from the
    White House are a big factor in this issue. Our President gets to fix this whole situation, lucky him!

    Immigration laws that take into account asylum circumstances seem like reasonable laws to me. Are they reasonable to you? Should there be any immigration restrictions in your mind?
    In my opinion, compassion is the reason for asylum! Yes, immigration laws should take into account asylum circumstances and I agree those would/should be reasonable laws. I guess it depends on which side of those laws you are on - someone seeking asylum to a better place for whatever reason or someone already in that better place trying to regulate who else gets to join you there.

    Glad I'm not the one in charge of determining these things, but still sending compassionate thoughts and hopes out to those trying to get to that "better place".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gardnr View Post
    As I shared when I shared the story, I asked Dad why we came. "We couldn't have been any poorer". 5 kids, driving truck all over Europe 6 days a week home for 30 hours from Saturday night to Monday early dark hours. We lived in a 2 room rented home. He was 39 and Mom 38. Who wouldn't take a chance on bettering that situation?
    I’m glad your father was able to earn a better living here in the United States. I suppose the Netherlands like most of Europe was still devastated from the war. The United States was recovering but of course we had far less To recover from and certainly no destruction of cities and towns.

    My mother-in-law came from Switzerland to the United States after the war because she perceived the United States was the land of opportunity. She was young and unmarried. One of her 12 siblings immigrated to the UK at the same time. All the others stayed in Switzerland. I’m sure they had a hard time of it over in Europe and the UK, but they have all ended up today o.k.

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    Interesting that you left the Netherlands but others including Ayaan Hirsi Ali have found refuge there. It goes to show the US doesn't have to take in everyone unhappy in their home country. One woman's trash of a country is another woman's treasure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yppej View Post
    Interesting that you left the Netherlands but others including Ayaan Hirsi Ali have found refuge there. It goes to show the US doesn't have to take in everyone unhappy in their home country. One woman's trash of a country is another woman's treasure.
    Immediate post war Netherlands was a different place than now.

    I read Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s book too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yppej View Post
    Interesting that you left the Netherlands but others including Ayaan Hirsi Ali have found refuge there. It goes to show the US doesn't have to take in everyone unhappy in their home country. One woman's trash of a country is another woman's treasure.
    Did I call the Netherlands trash? Please don't bother to answer. Your interpretation of what people write on this forum is beyond my ability to comprehend.

    Was that in 1961 while Rotterdam and much of the country were attempting to recover from WW2?

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